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Unclear Description: Step Three Profit get usage counts

 101 Editor Pall Mall, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:15:38 AM from United States, East Coast
Don't Fear the Spiders
[up]And that is exactly how tropes are flexible.
Keep it breezy!
 102 Septimus Heap, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:16:37 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Completely missing the intermediate step and having a flawed intermediary step are different things, though.

 103 Clarste, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:19:14 AM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
Tropes have narrative purposes. They're not just things that happen. If the narrative purpose is substantially different, it's a different trope.

edited 23rd Apr '13 10:19:38 AM by Clarste

 104 Madrugada, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:25:04 AM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
You may not like the subtrope/supertrope distinction, Pall Mall, but we have it for a reason. And that reason is that when a general trope is used repeatedly in a specific variation, that variation becomes a trope in and of itself. You aren't going to do away with it. We aren't going to ignore it in specific cases where it applies because you don't like it in general.

To carry your argument to its logical end, we don't need any of the multiple tropes we have for "This Plan Won't Work" — we should just have "Bad Plan" because they're all just variations on that.
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 105 Editor Pall Mall, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:30:02 AM from United States, East Coast
Don't Fear the Spiders
When did I say I am against all subtropes? I am fairly certain I made my stance clear on when and when not to make them. Additionally, see Ridiculously Similar Trope for why making every variation of every trope its own article is not a good idea.

edited 23rd Apr '13 10:33:55 AM by EditorPallMall

Keep it breezy!
 106 Septimus Heap, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:32:19 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
I generally am against subtropes unless the supertrope is far to broad or the subtrope is a extremely prevalent.

That is a much narrower criterium than the standard one. A subtrope doesn't become one because a broader trope is overly broad.

 107 Spark 9, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:32:29 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Well, both sides have made their case, how about we simply hold a Page Action Crowner to determine how to go ahead?
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 108 Septimus Heap, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:33:56 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
That would be:
  • Rename
  • Merge
  • Limit to comedic examples

Anything else?

 109 Clarste, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:34:16 AM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
While I wouldn't mind taking a vote myself, tyranny of the majority and all that, I'm not sure it's entirely appropriate when it comes to resolving general policy matters like when it's appropriate to use subtropes.

edited 23rd Apr '13 10:34:38 AM by Clarste

 110 Madrugada, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:35:51 AM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
nevermind

edited 23rd Apr '13 10:36:57 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
 111 Another Duck, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 2:38:44 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
Step Three: Profit isn't a subtrope of Didn't Think This Through. It could very well be that they did think it through, but it just doesn't follow conventional logic. Or they could very well be aware of it, and trying to solve it. There's no flaw in the plan, it's a gap. Didn't Think This Through is a complete plan. There's certainly an overlap, but there are also cases that only fit one of the tropes, for either trope.
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 113 Willbyr, Fri, 17th May '13 9:22:05 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Crowner's hooked.
I edited the crowner to make the options mutually exclusive.

 115 Willbyr, Mon, 10th Jun '13 9:36:05 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Calling this one for the winning option.
 116 Septimus Heap, Mon, 10th Jun '13 10:53:30 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Alt Names crowner. I didn't execute the comedic limitation yet.

 117 Willbyr, Mon, 10th Jun '13 11:12:23 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
[up] Crowner's hooked.
 118 Madrugada, Mon, 10th Jun '13 2:47:25 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
I personally dislike Missing Steps Gag because it's ambiguous. It could just as easily refer to the comedy gag of a person walking out a door and falling because there are no stairs outside where they are expected.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Ah. That's true...

 120 Septimus Heap, Tue, 11th Jun '13 7:49:17 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
I thumbed up Missing Steps Plan, but I am kinda worried about it being misused in the noncomedic version.

As an aside, has anyone an idea about rewriting the description to be about the comedic trope?

If I can interject, I prefer just leaving this trope as it is, particularly it's name. It's name may be a meme but that's actually a good thing, it increases the trope page's exposure, and really, it's more fun that way.

If my interpretation of it is correct, this trope can be either comedic or dramatic, it doesn't matter which, just that the plan of whoever has 3 things:

1. A goal. 2. A plan to achieve it. 3. On it's own the stated plan would not accomplish the goal.

That's it, it's no more complicated than that. If say, a villain states that his goal is world domination and says that to accomplish this he will kill the hero, without explaination as to WHY killing the hero would suddenly have the entire world at the villain's fingertips, then that's Step Three: Profit. In actuality the villain might HAVE a second step, but if it is never explained what this step is, then it's still Step Three: Profit.

 122 Septimus Heap, Sun, 16th Jun '13 12:38:30 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
It's too late to oppose a rename or a restriction to comedy. Sorry.

That's unfortunate. Hopefully this decison will get turned around later.

edited 16th Jun '13 12:43:25 PM by immortalfrieza

 124 Septimus Heap, Wed, 3rd Jul '13 4:31:05 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Did the restriction to comedic examples.

Also, votes bump.

Bump. Can we call it?

edited 25th Jul '13 2:23:07 AM by spacemarine50

 

Alternative Titles: Step Three Profit
10th Jun '13 10:50:29 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
Previous crowner decided on renaming Step Three Profit away from a meme name and to restrict it to comedic examples.
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