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 101 shoboni, Thu, 2nd May '13 11:50:33 AM from Iowa, USA
Go for it.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 102 shoboni, Thu, 2nd May '13 3:13:54 PM from Iowa, USA
Added a few of the suggested examples.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
Searching through the western animation folder at the moment.

 104 shoboni, Thu, 2nd May '13 5:04:14 PM from Iowa, USA
If you want you just just comment them and I can add them.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
Just a question but was Young Justice created with teenagers rather than young children in mind? How do we know if a certain shows are created with kids in mind? Because the Young Justice example on that page has like 10 indents trying to convince readers that this show isn't as childish as it leads on. Avatar: The Last Airbender and Legend Of Korra was going to be brought up sooner or later so would they fit with Mature Childrens Work as well?

 106 shoboni, Thu, 2nd May '13 5:47:00 PM from Iowa, USA
On YJ, I haven't seen more then a couple episodes when I happened to flip to CN, so I wouldn't know. The other I haven't seen any of.

edited 3rd May '13 9:07:40 AM by shoboni

"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 107 Scouts Girlfriend, Fri, 3rd May '13 5:51:05 AM from San Romero High School
Zombies taste like chainsaw death!
Haven't seen Young Justice, but I know Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra would definitely count.

(TBH, I haven't seen Korra either, but I have seen TLA)

 108 Septimus Heap, Fri, 3rd May '13 5:55:05 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
What are the target audiences of the Avatar works?

 109 shoboni, Fri, 3rd May '13 9:07:16 AM from Iowa, USA
Standard for Nick, elementary school, I think.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 110 Another Duck, Fri, 3rd May '13 9:19:48 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
I believe Avatar is written to suit a wider audience.
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 111 Scouts Girlfriend, Fri, 3rd May '13 9:26:17 AM from San Romero High School
Zombies taste like chainsaw death!
[up] Pretty much.

Piffy
[up][up]Yeah, it always felt like more of a family show than a kids' show. I may be biased because I actually used to watch it with my family.
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 113 Captain Peregrin, Mon, 6th May '13 8:52:41 AM from A Democratic Kingdom Far, Far Away
The Cat with the Timey-Wimey Ball
Just because stuff can be enjoyed by the whole family doesn't negate the fact that children are part of the intended audience. Besides, mature material is part of what separates family shows from children's shows in the first place. I would definitely include the Avatar shows.
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 114 shoboni, Mon, 6th May '13 2:00:12 PM from Iowa, USA
There's a difference between a family show and a kids show. something marked as a family show can get away with a little more because it's intended the parents are there to explain things.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
Well yeah both Avatar shows can be seen as a family shows but I still get the impression that both of them were marketed towards a younger audience in general. In other words, kids.

Piffy
How so?
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 117 Captain Peregrin, Tue, 7th May '13 12:34:06 PM from A Democratic Kingdom Far, Far Away
The Cat with the Timey-Wimey Ball
I really don't think Avatar was intended to be a family show. It aired on Saturday morning. Even if we must make a distinction between family shows and children's shows, if it airs in the Saturday morning time slot, I think it's safe to say it's intended as a kid's show.
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 118 Another Duck, Tue, 7th May '13 10:54:03 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
I think it's more like both, if you want to be precise. It may be designed to be watchable by kids, but also mature enough to keep older people interested. Either way, watching it doesn't really give any significant surprises as to what age it's aimed at, whatever you think.
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 119 Scouts Girlfriend, Wed, 8th May '13 8:12:57 AM from San Romero High School
Zombies taste like chainsaw death!
What the duck said.

I think the time is long overdue that all "What do you mean, it's (not) X?" tropes were renamed as, regardless of the presence or absence of the "not", all such titles could be interpreted as "yes, this is X" or "no, this is not X" and are thus ripe for abuse. I remember "What do you mean, it's not symbolic?" being renamed some time ago for this very reason; it was being regularly abused to mean "this work is full of symbolism" when what it was actually supposed to mean was "this work is full of what looks like symbolism, but is actually just random stuff". The trope got renamed to Faux Symbolism because of this.

 121 Septimus Heap, Wed, 8th May '13 9:09:01 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Yeah, I ran into the same problem once. We are currently working on this "trope" and will probably shift to others later.

 122 Another Duck, Wed, 8th May '13 12:22:32 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
I think another problem is the very varying values of vhat "mature" means. I see a lot of things people are surprised are meant for kids, but I see it as obviously child-safe. Historically it's also been a lot more acceptable with less child friendly stuff in works for children.

[up][up][up]So it's true. A duck's quack really does echo.
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Wandering...
So that list thing was obviously going to be long but I didn't expect it to be actually in the description of the trope. I think just saying "sex" is too vague; you can have sex in a work that isn't obviously there. That isn't even touching upon the fact that being vague is what got us into this mess. The thing I was trying to do was mark (for the discussion) which Sex Tropes were attributes of a work with this trope. In the description, the tropes from Sex Tropes that aren't attributes of this would need mentioning (note: "mentioning" does not mean "listing out"), I think, since there are far fewer of those than the other Sex Tropes.

 124 shoboni, Wed, 8th May '13 7:01:13 PM from Iowa, USA
Sex/Fanservice spells it out enough, I think.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 125 Another Duck, Thu, 9th May '13 3:21:05 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
When does it differ from merely being Parent Service?
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