Sustainable Energy, USA and worldwide:

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176 somerandomdude18th Feb 2014 08:27:45 AM from Dark side of the moon , Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
[up] The issue with that is that the reaction just doesn't produce nearly enough helium to fit the needs of modern industry (and it's used for just about every modern industry). This is because fusion is actually a very efficient process under ideal conditions (a single truckload of hydrogen could sustain a 1 GW fusion power station for a year).

So while it's possible that fusion reactions could be a source of helium, we'll still need to be mining it to meet industrial demand.
Wenn man nicht die Fresse halten kann, einfach mal Ahnung haben.
[up] I don't think the intent was to get rid of helium mining but having additional sources is always nice, even if they are insignificant.
178 joesolo18th Feb 2014 03:57:48 PM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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A mix of both. Even insignificant amounts might be worth capturing and selling, depending on what the laws on emission of the stuff is.
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These guys seem to think that there's no way around it without reducing consumption. That's a tough sell.
180 joesolo19th Feb 2014 07:48:25 PM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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If there's less to replace it makes replacing the rest easier. Not the only way though. We could power the world on solar right now if we really wanted to.
182 TheHandle12th Mar 2014 04:13:18 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In my bunk
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[up][up]No we could not, unless you want to spend the night without electricity. We don't have the technology it takes to store the energy throughout the day and distribute it as needed. Otherwise, fossil fuels and nukes and such remain indispensable.

edited 12th Mar '14 4:13:58 AM by TheHandle

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183 BestOf12th Mar 2014 05:54:05 AM from Finland , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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You can store solar power. There's some loss but you can actually generate power and store it in various ways. One of the more popular ones, if I'm not mistaken, is to use the excess electricity to pump water into a high container, from which it is then allowed to fall back down (powering a hydro-energy generator on the way) when the solar panels aren't producing power. As I said, there's some loss but it does work.

There are other ways to store energy, as well.
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184 TheHandle12th Mar 2014 06:23:47 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In my bunk
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[up]There aren't enough valleys in the world to store all the energy we'd need. There are storage options, but they're limited.
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185 joesolo12th Mar 2014 06:29:32 AM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
There's a difference between 'can't' and 'would be expensive'. As best said there are storage options, and besides that it is possible to lay power lines across oceans. With a global power grid we could use purely solar power without significant storage. Besides, demand at night is much lower.

186 TheHandle12th Mar 2014 07:41:15 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In my bunk
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There are lots of technical difficulties with what you're suggesting (basically, Desertec's program). Electricity just doesn't carry over very well over very long distances. You gotta produce the energy locally, as much as possible.

edited 12th Mar '14 7:41:48 AM by TheHandle

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187 Joesolo12th Mar 2014 08:29:09 AM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
it COULD be done though. I didn't say it'd be the most effective thing.
189 TheHandle22nd Mar 2014 12:09:16 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In my bunk
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Who?
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191 BestOf22nd Mar 2014 08:19:20 PM from Finland , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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Jared Diamond is a sociologist who has recently gained a following, especially among people who are just getting into sociology. (I don't mean to imply that people who are already more involved in sociology aren't fans of his; I'm just saying that he seems to have gained a status as a sort of intro-level popular sociologist.)

He likes to write about the history and future of Western civilisation, from the perspective that our civilisation seems to be displaying many of the features that led to the fall of several empires of the past.
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His popularity as an entry-level source is probably due to his accessible and clear writing style; man knows how to put words to a page.

Collapse is super relevant to this thread, who's read it?
193 rmctagg093rd Apr 2014 03:27:16 PM from Brooklyn, NY , Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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194 TheHandle4th Apr 2014 02:21:39 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In my bunk
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I dunno, it sounds quacky on the surface. The Decline of the West-ish.
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195 MechWarrior4th Apr 2014 04:47:46 AM from Long Island, NY. Beast Coast! , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Scientists have been trying to tame fusion power for more than 50 years with little success. Although the National Ignition Facility, a $3.5-billion operation, was built for classified government research, half of its laser time was devoted to fusion with an aim to accelerate research. Zulfikar Najmudin, a plasma physicist at Imperial College, said: “These results will come as a huge relief to scientists at NIF, who were very sure they could have achieved this a few years ago.”

That's honestly a bigger budget than I expected them to have. Of course, I'm of the opinion that somewhere in the neighborhood of half the national budget should be earmarked for scientific research, but still. They're making good progress, all things considered. Hopefully they can get more attention, and thus money, and start to speed this up.
@Best Of: I can't really say I'm a fan of most pop-science writers. But especially the political/sociology/evo-psych ones...Such crappy research and crass preaching. They're just selling what people like to believe.
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Here's an interesting thing. Great for carbon sequestration (actually carbon-reuse). Produces usable jet fuel for around $3 a gallon from seawater. http://www.nrl.navy.mil/media/news-releases/2014/scale-model-wwii-craft-takes-flight-with-fuel-from-the-sea-concept

Weird emphasis in the article title. Talks about model planes, like that's the important part, not the revolutionary fuel source.
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199 demarquis9th Apr 2014 10:55:00 AM from Hell, USA , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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That price is a projection, it's not commercially viable just yet.
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200 joesolo9th Apr 2014 12:39:20 PM from Wouldn't you like to know... , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
Don't see what your saying, seems to me the 'fuel from sea' part carries weight

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