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Filum Romanum - A Thread for the Catholic Church:

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626 TheHandle25th Feb 2014 09:56:13 AM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
You should try the Mexican Catholic experience. Reportedly, it involves slaughtering chicken.
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627 DeMarquis25th Feb 2014 10:07:42 AM from Hell, USA , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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You sure that isnt Santeria?
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628 TheHandle25th Feb 2014 10:21:20 AM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
That isn't practiced in Mexico, I think, though the chicken thing, among other, Brave New World-sih things I've been told of, seems like an obvious case of syncretism.
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629 DeMarquis25th Feb 2014 10:27:26 AM from Hell, USA , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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All those African and Caribean pantheistic religions include some degree of syncreticism, but you may be right about the name, the Mexican version is called Santa Muerte I believe.
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630 TheHandle25th Feb 2014 10:43:59 AM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
Rites dedicated to Santa Muerte are predicated on Catholic ones, including processions and prayers with the aim of gaining a favor.[8] Many believers in Santa Muerte are self-professed Catholics, who invoke the name of God, Christ, and the Virgin in their petitions to Santa Muerte.[14] Altars contain an image of Santa Muerte, generally surrounded by any or all of the following: cigarettes; flowers; fruit; incense; water; alcoholic beverages; coins; candies; and candles.[2][8] According to popular belief, Santa Muerte is very powerful and is reputed to grant many favors. These images, like those of Catholic saints, are treated as holy and can give favors in return for the faith of the believer, with miracles playing a vital role. In many ways, Santa Muerte acts like Catholic saints. As Señora de la Noche ("Lady of the Night"), she is often invoked by those exposed to the dangers of working at night, such as taxi drivers, mariachi players, bar owners, police, soldiers, and prostitutes. As such, devotees believe she can protect against assaults, accidents, gun violence, and all types of violent death.[26]

Wow. So that's what Tuco's cousins were worshipping. I thought it was just a Death Cult. Somehow this makes it all even more icky. Did they work under the delusion that they were good Catholics?

Oh, by the way, I'm reading a book called "Honour, a History". It would appear that the honour of a saint and the honour of a knight were in stark opposition. The former being about resignation, patience, charity, restraint, while the other was, roughly speaking, about kicking the asses of whoever stood in your way, conquering, taking, massive amounts of pride and wrath, and the list goes on. I wonder how orders such as the Templars and the Hospitaliers reconciled these differences in ethics. Or how knights could believe that their place was not in Hell.
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631 DeMarquis25th Feb 2014 10:46:17 AM from Hell, USA , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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Bit of a derail here, why dont you start a thread about it?
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632 TheHandle25th Feb 2014 10:54:51 AM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
We are talking about orders of the Catholic Church, and people who made a huge deal of their Catholicism, no?
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633 DeMarquis25th Feb 2014 11:02:54 AM from Hell, USA , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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Yeah, but this is really a current events thread, not so much a history thread. But if nobody objects, go for it.
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634 Silasw25th Feb 2014 12:57:15 PM from The UNITED Kingdom , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Speaking of current events, the Pope has created a new Vatican department to deal with finances, also the Vatican central bank is becoming one officially, meaning it will have "all the obligations and responsibilities of similar institutions around the world". O and the Pope has also hired a US security firm to go though all the Vatican accounts to check for money laundering. [1]
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635 TheHandle25th Feb 2014 01:00:20 PM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
If what was shown in The Godfather was actually common practice, I expect hilarity of a very dark sort.
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636 KnightofLsama25th Feb 2014 02:31:54 PM from The Sea of Chaos
[up] Given some of the stuff that came out in the 80s and no word of major reforms since then, I think that it's a given.

Edit: Also, the one to head this new financial organisation is Archpishop of Sydney, Cardinal George Pell.

Given that he is a very polarising figure within Australia reactions to this are mixed between outrage and the sincere hope that Francis is giving him the new position in hopes of getting him bumped off.

edited 25th Feb '14 2:33:34 PM by KnightofLsama

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637 Qeise25th Feb 2014 02:34:14 PM from sqrt(-inf)/0 , Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
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Speaking of the Vatican bank, how do they reconcile that with the incident Jesus had at the temple with the money exchangers/lenders?
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638 Achaemenid25th Feb 2014 02:36:42 PM from beyond the Wall. , Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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I believe the idea is that it is a sort of religious/charity bank. But in practice it's been pretty seedy. Look at old Roberto Calvi.
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639 DeviantBraeburn22nd Mar 2014 12:41:42 PM from Dysfunctional California
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Everything is Possible.

But some things are more Probable than others.
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640 TheHandle22nd Mar 2014 01:40:37 PM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
[up]Wow. This pope has balls.
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641 Ninety22nd Mar 2014 02:07:06 PM from Land of Quakes and Hills , Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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That sounds like a Pre-Asskicking One-Liner.
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642 TheHandle22nd Mar 2014 02:21:30 PM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
Well, they did kill a two-year-old. That's unforgivable.
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643 Silasw22nd Mar 2014 04:38:40 PM from The UNITED Kingdom , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Globalist Bunny
I feel bad for the Swiss Guard at the moment, Francis sure isn't making their job easy.
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644 Rationalinsanity22nd Mar 2014 07:29:01 PM from The Inner Rim , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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I'm not sure the Mafia would risk going after him. If they get caught he will be made a Martyr overnight, the police/public crackdown will be overwhelming and it might even cause some internal conflict.
645 joesolo22nd Mar 2014 09:01:43 PM , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
Straight up would. Italy is very Catholic, and by extension, so is the mafia. They bend the rules....ok they outright ignore most of it but going after the pope would likely be a case of Even Evil Has Standards
646 Pykrete22nd Mar 2014 09:56:03 PM from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Or they'd consider him a heretic.

The mafia isn't just Catholic because Italians tend to be Catholic. The entire mob culture is very, very steeped in one of the most twisted takes on Catholicism imaginable. A rebuke from the Pope would be more likely to evoke schism than reevaluation. On the whole at least — there would be rifts, but I'm not optimistic they'd be big enough.

Being leery of police reprisal for something that high-profile or literally martyring the guy they don't like...maybe.

edited 22nd Mar '14 9:58:55 PM by Pykrete

647 Ramidel23rd Mar 2014 04:19:59 PM , Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The mafia might have a mad dog or two who'd do it. If nothing else, the Albanian gangs aren't nearly as Catholic and they might decide Francis was a liability.

But yeah, if Francis is shot by the mob, he becomes a martyr, there'll probably be a mass of inter-gang warfare and a massive reprisal from the Italian government and police.

Possible martyrdom aside, nice job Francis.
648 Rationalinsanity23rd Mar 2014 06:50:07 PM from The Inner Rim , Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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Even if they kill him, it's not like his successor will be pro-organized crime or anything. Unless they can hide their involvement or make it look like an accident the outcome would be totally negative for them.
649 Pykrete23rd Mar 2014 07:02:54 PM from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
It's almost assured Francis's successor won't be as charismatic, well-liked, influential, and dedicated to weeding out corruption in the church. I mean, we lucked out with this one.

edited 23rd Mar '14 7:03:20 PM by Pykrete

650 joesolo23rd Mar 2014 07:14:34 PM , Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
@pycrete it's not a crap shoot, he was elected by the college of cardinals. Given its mostly the same cardinals, plus a few appointed under Pope Francis, they would probably elect one of similar views, given.how well everything's gone under him.

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