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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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#3251: Aug 21st 2016 at 4:33:01 PM

If I remember correctly, the basic doctrine is that the soul belongs to God, and therefore cant be "summoned" by human agency (it can be sent, of course). Therefore, when someone summons a spirit, it must always be either a dammed soul, or a demon, obviously on some unholy mission.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#3252: Aug 21st 2016 at 8:25:19 PM

Well there is no Catholic doctrine established against ghosts and hauntings, so they'd presumably be okay with it. Several theologians have observed that hauntings don't really contradict the Catholic doctrine at all (because they can be here and in Hell/Purgatory/Heaven at the same time).

Ah, good point.

What the Church is against is summoning ghosts, part of the running deal of the Church being against magic in general. So presumably in a world where ghosts are proven real and can cause havoc (like the climax of the new ghostbusters film where New York is nearly obliterated), I could see a modernized rebirth of the Holy Inquisition, except instead of hunting heretics, hunting ghosts and those who summon them.

If I remember correctly, the basic doctrine is that the soul belongs to God, and therefore cant be "summoned" by human agency (it can be sent, of course). Therefore, when someone summons a spirit, it must always be either a dammed soul, or a demon, obviously on some unholy mission.

OH GOD, WHY DIDN'T THIS MAKE IT INTO ANY OF THE MOVIES

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edited 22nd Aug '16 8:40:57 PM by dRoy

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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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#3253: Aug 22nd 2016 at 12:15:58 PM

No one expects the psychic inquistion.

"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."
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#3254: Aug 22nd 2016 at 1:08:45 PM

Their chief weapons are particle beams and a pedal-activated electromagnetic vacuum trap.

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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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#3255: Aug 22nd 2016 at 2:42:36 PM

"Don't cross the crucifixes!"

"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."
dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#3256: Aug 22nd 2016 at 8:42:11 PM

No one expects the psychic inquistion.

Okay, that made me spit out my drink. [lol][tup]

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#3257: Sep 3rd 2016 at 3:22:50 PM

Cross posting from the US politics page. Trump is doing poorly with American Catholics, including those who attend Church regularly.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-driving-catholic-voters-toward-clinton/?ex_cid=538fb

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#3258: Sep 4th 2016 at 12:20:07 AM

I think a lot of us already were expecting this: Mother Teresa to be declared saint

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#3259: Sep 4th 2016 at 1:43:57 AM

[up] Not without some Controversy, though. Some have suggested it's Too Soon, with about 200 years required before someone can become a Saint.

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Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#3260: Sep 4th 2016 at 4:29:12 AM

Some have suggested it's Too Soon, with about 200 years required before someone can become a Saint.

In recent times, Maximilian Kolbe and Pope John Paul II have become Saints. There have been some more noteworthy exceptions besides them.

edited 4th Sep '16 4:32:27 AM by Quag15

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#3261: Sep 4th 2016 at 3:18:20 PM

Sainthood has kinda become an assembly line ever since they got rid of the Devil's Advocate.

I despise hypocrisy, unless of course it is my own.
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#3262: Sep 4th 2016 at 3:31:05 PM

[up]They did? Why? It's the coolest Job-related job ever.

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#3263: Sep 4th 2016 at 4:14:58 PM

Ooh. I want to be devil's advocate. Is there somewhere I can apply?

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#3264: Sep 5th 2016 at 5:47:40 AM

I heard that one of qualifications is a familiarity with drinking goat blood and such.

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#3265: Sep 5th 2016 at 6:12:42 AM

Some of those criticism include hypocrisy on part of Mother Teresa including converting the dying to Catholicism and taking advantage of the suffering... Lots of those examples are on FB.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#3266: Sep 5th 2016 at 7:54:37 AM

Has she performed any miracle? From what I heard, that's one of the key qualifications for a Sainthood.

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Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#3267: Sep 5th 2016 at 8:12:51 AM

[up]Saints do not perform miracles. Only God does. What they (soon to be recognized saints) do after they're dead is that they ask God (usually because the person that is sick or a relative asks the one person - in this case, Mother Teresa - to intercede for them and ask God if God can cure the sick person). Then if it is proven beyond a doubt that the eventual recovery did not have a solid medical explanation (or that said recovery was completely unexpected and can't be explained by science), then the Church recognizes that the person who interceded has reached the level of sainthood.

edited 5th Sep '16 8:14:00 AM by Quag15

Jhimmibhob from Where the tea is sweet, and the cornbread ain't Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: My own grandpa
#3268: Sep 5th 2016 at 2:23:23 PM

There are also specific cases where the "miracle" requirement is regularly waived—for example, a martyr's death. Not that this applies to St. Theresa ... but the point is, the canonization rules aren't always as hard/fast as often gets reported.

"She was the kind of dame they write similes about." —Pterodactyl Jones
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#3269: Sep 15th 2016 at 3:18:23 AM

@Handle: I think it's because it was getting in the way of JPII's use of mass sainthood for political purposes. To continue on Quag's explanation, this is the guy who looked over the medical report and tried to convince the panel that the "miracle" has a perfectly natural explanation, such as "cancer goes into remission all the time, and this fits that pattern better than a miracle requested by Sister Theresa."

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Jhimmibhob from Where the tea is sweet, and the cornbread ain't Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: My own grandpa
#3270: Sep 15th 2016 at 8:00:49 AM

[up]That first sentence seems like an uncharitable reading of JP2's larger purposes. He famously believed and taught that sainthood is NOT something so singular that ordinary people should think of it as unattainable. He sincerely thought that sainthood is something that even a garden-variety person could, with God's grace, aspire to. Saints are still usually rare (his argument went), because it's very hard and requires tons of grace & perseverance ... but they're not as necessarily rare as some of us believe, and they're not as removed from ordinary human experience.

In keeping with that, JP2 made it a special point to canonize deserving candidates who had gone unacknowledged because of thoughtlessly exclusivist assumptions about saints. He thought that saints could become far more common in the world and thicker on the ground than we tend to think possible, and his policies were partly a reflection of this hope.

edited 15th Sep '16 8:02:42 AM by Jhimmibhob

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#3271: Nov 23rd 2016 at 2:56:45 PM

The trailer for "Silence", Scorcese's new film dealing with Christian persecution in 17th century Japan, has been released; Given it's a movie about jesuit missionaries directed by a lapsed Catholic based on a book written by a Japanese Kirishtian Catholic writer I felt it belonged here tongue

Amusingly, before premiering worldwide, the movie will have a private screening to 400 Jesuit Priests in Rome.

It's Scorcese, so it'll probably be outstanding. High hopes for this.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
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#3272: Nov 23rd 2016 at 3:12:34 PM

It's like Roman times all over again!

"NIHON-HITO IE-NI TORIMODOSERU? JAPAN PEOPLE THEY BACK IN THE HOME?"

"WE'RE THE SUICIDE SQUAD!" (They all commit Seppuku)

"FITHY JESUITS! WE HAD THE IDEA OF KIDNAPPING THE DAIMYO'S DAUGHTER FIRST!"
"NOT A CHANCE, YOU DISGUSTING DOMINICANS!"
"BROTHERS, WE SHOULD BE STRUGGLING TOGETHER!"
"We ARE Struggling Together!"
"I MEAN AGAINST OUR COMMON ENEMY!"
"THE PROTESTANTS!"
"NO, THE SHOGUNATE!"
"Oh, right, right..."

edited 23rd Nov '16 3:13:20 PM by TheHandle

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#3273: Dec 8th 2016 at 6:11:26 PM

Which is quite fitting in the face of America's plight right now.

Apparently, Francis has read the original novel and is a big fan of it and gives the movie his blessings.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#3274: Dec 9th 2016 at 6:54:54 AM

Spreading false/fake news on the media would be one of the things that go against this this Commandment, right? At least, I'm assuming that's how he interpreted it.

edited 9th Dec '16 6:55:30 AM by Quag15

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#3275: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:09:22 AM

How exactly did Argentina take it that one of their own is the current Pope?


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