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53151 AnoBakaDesu2nd Mar 2018 08:09:26 AM , Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
I'm pretty sure Vale, Atlas and Mistral are large enough to warrant their own pages, as detailed in this earlier post (read further posts for adjustments).
"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!"
Wyldchyld
I'm thinking that my vision for the "In General" folders would hypothetically be something akin to the "In General" folders in the character sheets for different factions and planets in Star Wars like the Rebel Alliance, Coruscant, Tatooine and Naboo.

Ych. Half those tropes break the Examples Are Not General rule. I don't think that's a good model to base RWBY pages on. Besides, generalising tropes for a Kingdom is not troping people, it's troping setting. I'm already against the Technology page we've got because it's troping tools instead of people (and placing half of Weiss's tropes under the White Knight section instead of Weiss's section). I'm not in favour of troping Kingdoms as though they're characters.

I have two questions about recent edits you've made to the pages. Apologies if they sound abrupt, I'm trying to be concise rather than abrasive.
  • Why did you change the RWBY team page's "In General" folder to "As a Group" and leave all other pages with team general folders as "In General"? I thought "(In) General" was standard? At the very least, the pages should be consistent.
  • I notice you've added an instruction to the main RWBY page telling everyone they must put character tropes on the character pages and epispode/arc tropes onto Recap pages instead of using the work pages. Is that a rule anywhere? I know an enforced character split was not a rule two or three years ago, has that changed (note, I'm not questioning removing story tropes from character pages, that I support)? Also, aren't Recap pages suppose to be optional?

[up]Quite. As I stated at the time, I don't think all the Kingdoms warrant being separated out to individual pages yet, but Atlas needs to be since it's already loaded and is about to be the focus of the next volume or two; Vale and Mistral can at least get away with being split out now, we just need to decide how to handle Vacuo and Menagerie (leave them together on the same page for now, perhaps). As a result, I have no problem splitting all the Kingdoms out now if that's what people want. General folders for a Kingdom, however, make no sense — especially after we give each Kingdom its own page.

edited 2nd Mar '18 9:02:56 AM by Wyldchyld

53153 gjjones2nd Mar 2018 11:17:43 AM from Amherst, New York
Musician/Composer
Why did you change the RWBY team page's "In General" folder to "As a Group" and leave all other pages with team general folders as "In General"? I thought "(In) General" was standard? At the very least, the pages should be consistent.

I thought teams would be under "As a group" because they are simply a group of characters, but I guess I could be mistaken.

I notice you've added an instruction to the main RWBY page telling everyone they must put character tropes on the character pages and episode/arc tropes onto Recap pages instead of using the work pages. Is that a rule anywhere? I know an enforced character split was not a rule two or three years ago, has that changed (note, I'm not questioning removing story tropes from character pages, that I support)? Also, aren't Recap pages suppose to be optional?

If I recall correctly, there were some discussions at Ask The Tropers (you may want to search for "character tropes" there). In one of these discussions, Fighteer pointed out:

In theory, the only tropes listed on Characters subpages should be tropes on the Character subpages are the ones on the Characterization and Characters as Device indexes; everything else goes in the main article. Plot Tropes and Settings should always go on the main article. In practice, we rarely live up to that ideal largely because the current wiki software provides no mechanism to automatically categorize examples.

So, depending on the work, if a trope is only in relation to the one character such as Raven or a group like Team RWBY, it's a character trope. However, if it relates to the character as they are in the narrative such as Foreshadowing or Nice Job Breaking It, Hero! (which are story tropes), then it's not. It depends on the work, unless it's some of the tropes that are always not.

I also thought that if there's a trope occurring in specific episodes only, it can optionally be moved to the recap pages for the specific episodes (there aren't story arcs on the particular recap pages), but I'll probably ask on ATT if so desired.

edited 2nd Mar '18 11:52:33 PM by gjjones

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Wyldchyld
As I said, I've got no problem with the Character tropes; plenty of works enforce that one (the Bleach pages, for example). It was the Recap one that bothered me since Recap sub-pages are supposedly 'optional'. The expectation with them is that only people who have watched the work will be viewing them, which is why they're a Spoilers Off type of page. However, given that the main work page is something anyone is likely to view, banning plot and setting tropes from there doesn't make any sense to me. Even if they're episode-specific. That should be the first place to put them. The Recap pages (where they exist) would just be for a spoilerific version of the example.

edited 3rd Mar '18 4:39:28 AM by Wyldchyld

53155 gjjones3rd Mar 2018 08:40:46 AM from Amherst, New York
Musician/Composer
I understand about the recap issues. I was only trying to help; like I said, maybe we can ask about moving tropes to the recap pages on Ask The Tropers? I think that could be an idea.

edited 3rd Mar '18 1:29:12 PM by gjjones

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53156 TheLovecraftian3rd Mar 2018 12:56:53 PM , Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
Oh, hey, I genuinely forgot this was today.

Girl's Night seems fun. I kind of want to join. I have a beautiful dress and a flamethrower, so I think I'll fit in nicely.

edited 3rd Mar '18 12:58:25 PM by TheLovecraftian

53157 Karxrida3rd Mar 2018 01:08:31 PM from Darkness within Darkness , Relationship Status: Abstaining
Maximum Chaos
I like how they felt the need to give Yuri Lowenthal a voice credit for the Cinder Puppet.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
53158 Mizerous4th Mar 2018 02:10:56 PM from Fatesland , Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Dragon-Born
[up] He could use it to cheer Emerald up for Cinder being gone for the moment.
That's none of her business...
53159 gjjones4th Mar 2018 03:24:48 PM from Amherst, New York
Musician/Composer
Pursuant to the recap issue, I've took it to Ask The Tropers, which can be found here.

edited 4th Mar '18 5:04:53 PM by gjjones

No matter who you are, always be yourself.
53160 Soble4th Mar 2018 06:32:34 PM , Relationship Status: Writing a love letter
No RWBY fans, you are the demons.

Laconic: RWBY fans and their harassment of the show's creative forces have been chronicled as part of the show's unfortunate history. Shane Black's letter did not help the situation. Blake's voice actress was harassed for trying to defuse the Ship War situation.

Me: Maybe Twitter and tumblr are just awful platforms for engaging with an audience. Man, and this is why Jeff is so adamant on his songs not meaning anything. Part of me wants to know just how vitrolic this supposed Hate Dom really is. TV Tropes has really sheltered me this past couple of years.
53161 Saiga4th Mar 2018 06:59:47 PM from Sunny Australia , Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Helpful & reliable Pope of Bleach & DB threads
Wait what was Blake's VA harassed over?
53162 VoidsEmpathy4th Mar 2018 07:02:06 PM from Realm of In-Between , Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Emissary of the Void
Hm, that could very well be the case. Usually there's less focus on the shipping here and more on the narrative aspects of the show. While I have looked at tumblr for a little bit of the RWBY stuff, it has been too bad, but then again, I'm very selective on who I follow that keeps me safe from the worst of the FNDM.

@Arryn: She came down to a thread (on reddit, I believe) that discussed shipping implications in Jeff Williams' music. Fans did not react well...

edited 4th Mar '18 7:04:00 PM by VoidsEmpathy

"No one can stop death..."- Malthael
53163 sgamer824th Mar 2018 07:09:37 PM from Meridian, ID
Wait what was Blake's VA harassed over?
Immediate thought: For being Blake.
Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
53164 VoidsEmpathy4th Mar 2018 07:11:10 PM from Realm of In-Between , Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Emissary of the Void
I just... what??
"No one can stop death..."- Malthael
53165 Karxrida4th Mar 2018 07:14:43 PM from Darkness within Darkness , Relationship Status: Abstaining
Maximum Chaos
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
53166 sgamer824th Mar 2018 07:23:17 PM from Meridian, ID
Given the irrational hate Blake seems to get here, alone, I'm not entirely joking.
Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Just look at that face. It's adorable.
Apparently it was shipping related, which in this show is very Blake-centric.
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53168 Karxrida4th Mar 2018 07:25:40 PM from Darkness within Darkness , Relationship Status: Abstaining
Maximum Chaos
[up]x2 We've had several conversations concerning the writing issues surrounding Blake and her negative influence on the show.

I wouldn't call that kind of hate irrational.

edited 4th Mar '18 7:27:11 PM by Karxrida

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Just look at that face. It's adorable.
The issues themselves might not be irrational, but the lengths some people go with it, honestly, especially you, does often come off as unnecessary and irrational.
"Fairy Tail...where even the anticlimaxes have their own anticlimaxes." (Credit to Lightysnake)
53170 sgamer824th Mar 2018 07:30:19 PM from Meridian, ID
[up][up] It's still unfathomably intense for a fictional character.

What I've seen often falls under what I call "over-the-top vitriol".

edited 4th Mar '18 7:31:50 PM by sgamer82

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Serial Procrastinator
I think that's massively misstating the point.

90% of the problems I see people here have with Blake is with how long her arc lasted and how the WF stuff was handled in general, not with Blake herself. (I'd say she's middle of the road, rarely the weak link character wise but never the best handled one either).

As to whether it was unnecessary vitriol or not is subjective.

Heck, the character that was most hated as a result of that whole Trapped by Mountain Lions arc wasn't Blake so much as Ilia, for being a one-girl Spotlight-Stealing Squad.

edited 4th Mar '18 7:43:04 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
53172 sgamer824th Mar 2018 07:45:12 PM from Meridian, ID
We've had at least one person literally say "Blake is trash". That's over the top vitriol, any way you cut it.

Subjective or not, I entirely believe "Being Blake's Voice Actress" would be enough justification for someone out there to give the woman grief.

edited 4th Mar '18 7:49:46 PM by sgamer82

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Serial Procrastinator
"Given the irrational hate Blake seems to get here, alone, I'm not entirely joking."

One person saying "Blake is trash" is hardly the trend of irrational hate which you implied in your first comment. In fact it's pretty mild.

"Subjective or not, I entirely believe "Being Blake's Voice Actress" would be enough justification for someone out there to give the woman grief."

Mm. The majority of fandom problems, I'd argue come from not being able to seperate fiction and reality properly.

edited 4th Mar '18 7:51:49 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
53174 sgamer824th Mar 2018 07:52:21 PM from Meridian, ID
At least one. I'm willing to be there's been more than that. But that's what stuck out.

Mm. The majority of fandom problems, I'd argue come from not being able to seperate fiction and reality properly.
Which really only strengthens my point.

edited 4th Mar '18 7:53:01 PM by sgamer82

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
53175 Soble4th Mar 2018 07:53:13 PM , Relationship Status: Writing a love letter
This post has been thumped. That means knock it off.

     

I used to just like picking on her but I don't really hate Blake. I can say nice things about her if I really want to.

Like, "Blake can't do anything right and can't win any fights without help," is a thing I will say, but then I'll turn around and go, "Chibi Blake is Best Girl!"

Seriously, non-ironically, and I will never, ever, ever, ever say this again but - I would admit that Blake is probably the most defined, most inteReSting member of the main bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee010010110

EDIT: What the? Um, okay, as I was saying, Blake is the best-written ch [redacted]

EDIT 2: Hrh-hrm. Blake is the the only one with a dec[redacted] character arc. She's become more nuanced and interesting than Ruby, becoming the show's most developed protag[redacted]

EDIT 3: ...you understand what I'm trying to say. My mockery of her is merely in jest due to a combination of Blake not being the team's tank and my subconscious loathing of cats.

-inhale-

Objectively I don't really have an issue with Blake as of this moment. In fact, this is my nicest post about her thus far. I think... I think this is a sign that I should turn a new leaf. Yeah. Yeah, I think I will! I'm going to start being more positive about Blake!

edited 4th Mar '18 8:01:48 PM by Soble


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