This thread is for questions regarding creating or cutting pages in Franchise/ namespace and Franchise Index.
As a reminder, being a Series Franchise doesn't mean a Work can have a Franchise/ page. For that it needs existing (not Red Link) and connected (official releases for the same trademark) Work pages in 3 different Mediums, not 3 pages for the same property in general.
If it doesn't meet those criteria, the section about related releases can be on page of the first installment.
For instance, Video Games. Take a look at this page. I guarantee that we don't even have that many listed in the Franchise namespace.
Also, I set up Franchise pages for Duke Nukem, Deer Hunter, and Grand Theft Auto.
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to list multiple games in a Franchise page as opposed to a Video Game page?
Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 11th 2023 at 2:10:03 PM
Well, I was thinking more of the Pebbbles and Bamm-Bamm Saturday morning shows. They weren't vastly more popular than the original, evening cartoon, and they simply up-aged the two kids to teenagers, but maintained the family setting. So Fred and Wilma and Barney and Betty were still part of the show. So it was a spin-off, but it remained very tightly-coupled to the original series— almost an EU of it.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.Oh, and because I just heard Snoopy's Christmas this morning, Peanuts also has Music: the songs about Snoopy by The Royal Guardsmen —Snoopy and the Red Baron, The return of the Red Baron, Snoopy's Christmas, Snoopy For President, and The Beagle Has Landed. There may be more; The Royal Guardsmen pretty much made Snoopy songs their schtick.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.Does an officially unrelated musical group doing Snoopy-themed songs really matter? The Lord of the Rings is legitimately a franchise, but it's not because of Heavy Mithril groups.
I think they got officially licenced at some point. And it's a moot point anyway, because there's a Comic Strip, Comic Books, Western Animation and some Video Games.
Yes, they made the first one unauthorized, were sued, lost, agreed to turn over all income from it to Shultz, and then he gave them permission to use Snoopy in other songs.
I'm aware that Peanuts is well past the threshold, but I'd like to see it done thoroughly, when it's done.
edited 9th Dec '16 2:28:56 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.Between the series, two movies, a pinball and two video games, The X-Files could get a Franchise/ page.
Bringing this here from Ask The Tropers.
Donkey Kong and Castlevania do have works in more than one medium, but there aren't enough pages in distinct mediums (yet). The Donkey Kong one doesn't even mention anything other than the games. The Castlevania page only haslinks to the games and to the Worlds of Power series, which features novels based on 8 different games, not just Castlevania. I'm not sure if that still counts or if the novel would need its own separate page, but that's still only 2 mediums.
I don't know if they're worth cutting, since it could be unnecessary work and lead to lost inbounds, but at the same time, those pages are of huge franchises and could set a bad precedent.
edited 30th Dec '16 11:56:55 AM by supergod
For we shall slay evil with logic...The pages belong in their original medium namepsaces. In this case, videogames.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.I just found Franchise.The Witches Of Eastwick, which appears to be functioning as the main page for ''The Witches of Eastwick, despite the fact that there are only 2 other namespaces (Film and Literature) both of which re-direct to the Franchise page.
I think for this one it would be better to just create pages for the novels, musical and the film and move the appropriate tropes there, since they're are already listed separately. The TV series already has it's own page.
edited 31st Dec '16 6:22:38 PM by supergod
For we shall slay evil with logic...Added several recently-mentioned examples to Franchise Namespace Correction so we don't lose track.
Also added Wonder Boy, which is video-game only and hasn't yet been mentioned in this thread. Which is got me started.
eta: I also just added a big list of other-media works to Franchise.Cthulhu Mythos, so it's no longer a misplaced literature-only page. It now covers nine different media. Should be adequate, I think. :)
edited 2nd Jan '17 1:44:55 PM by Xtifr
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.Franchise.Arrowverse has only two namespaces: Series note and Western Animation note .
Franchise.Fable was created within the last two years, by moving the page from VideoGame.Fable, and turning the latter into a redirect. So I went ahead and moved it back. Which resulted in restoring it with its proper discussion page and both its reviews. (Yay!)
But it was there long enough that the Franchise page has over 2k inbounds. (The original video game page has about 1.8k.) Is that too many to cut? Or do improper namespace redirects always get cut?
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.Unrelated to previous post, so making a separate post.
I think I may have found one of the reasons we're seeing so many videogame series getting moved to Franchise. The page Series Franchise has a whole section for video games, and it looks like people may have been converting works found here...
Also, Franchise Index doesn't say anything about three different media.
edited 8th Jan '17 11:42:16 PM by Xtifr
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.I've added notes to both pages.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanI found Franchise.Final Fantasy getting redirected from VideoGame.Final Fantasy, with only two mediums, so I added it to the Franchise Namespace Correction page.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.I went ahead and added the spinoff Ivalice Alliance (the same but worse) to that page as well. Final Fantasy fans are frantic for it to fall under Franchise, for sure.
On a side note, Attack on Titan is eligible for a Franchise page (manga, film, and video game namespaces are in play), so if any fans want to do that, go for it.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)...and we can add Franchise.Harvest Moon to the list of single medium franchise pages as well. <reaches over the Internet and bonks some tropers on their heads>
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)Franchise.The Green Hornet only has related pages in the Film/ namespace.
The Franchise page include the Radio show and Comic Books; there's enough material to split them into their own pages, methinks.
We need to stop arguing about the meaning of the word 'Franchise' and say "Okay, what makes a specific entry easier to find?"
Take The Sims. It's got a franchise page. But an individual page (Say, Sims 3) doesn't have a top link back to the franchise page for The Sims in general. Somehow that doesn't quite make sense.
- The meaning of "franchise", for this wiki, was hashed out years ago.
- Each single-media franchise should have the individual works indexed on a central hub page in that medium's namespace.
- Indexed works have links at the bottom of a page.
- The buttons at the top allow you to visit subpages primarily, not alternate mediums.
Fire Emblem now qualifies for the namespace (has pages for Video Game, Manga, and Tabletop Game). Redirects need to be made and wicks changed, which I'll get to later.
edited 14th Apr '17 11:14:40 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?I found Franchise.Children Of The Corn that is only a film series and Franchise.Chaos Rings a videogame series.
edited 24th Jun '17 2:01:06 AM by Silverblade2
Franchise.Spellforce has only videogames
Working on cleaning up List of Shows That Need Summary
I'm fine with case-by-case basis; The Flintstones are an example of a spin-off that became vastly more popular than the original work.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.