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QuasarI mostly suggest redefining because it's easier to do than a split.
Just one thing about the option to redefine it and rename it Evil Bondage: what should it be redefined as? There's already an option to keep it as one trope but make the guidelines stricter.
edited 18th May '13 12:19:42 PM by abloke
QuasarTo evil bondage.
So what does that mean? Which of the three suggested tropes does it involve?
edited 18th May '13 12:22:16 PM by abloke
QuasarFirst one. I support it because the distinction between these tropes is very weak, and I expect most examples to fit more than one.
My only problem with the title is that Evil Bondage might not indicate that it's specifically about it being portrayed as wrong. Whatever the title was, it would have to be clearly outlined that having villain with a BDSM theme, or a morally questionable character who practices or appears to practice BDSM, doesn't count as an automatic attack on the entire thing.
edited 18th May '13 12:31:21 PM by abloke
Evil Bondage implies that there's Good Bondage and Neutral Bondage.
QuasarNot really. A trope doesn't need an opposite.
They may not be actual tropes, but the implication is that Evil Bondage is a variant of bondage, not the negative portrayal of all bondage.
QuasarThat difference can be significant, but can we really keep them apart?
We could avert that by giving it a "BDSM Is [Adjective]" name. With a clear description, that could work.
edited 18th May '13 2:24:08 PM by abloke
Wandering...I agree with Mikuru that "Evil Bondage" implies there's tropes (or should be tropes) for Good Bondage or Neutral Bondage. I think Bondage Is Evil could be a compromise, though. It implies the work is calling bondage evil instead of saying that this is the evil version/side of bondage.
Isn't "Bad Guy Likes Bondage, " as the crowner has it, already covered by Good People Have Good Sex? And I have no idea how broadly "Bondage Themed Baddie" is supposed to be defined.
edited 20th May '13 5:55:27 AM by Prfnoff
Wandering..."Bad Guys Like Bondage" could fit in Good People Have Good Sex, unless the bondage is shown to be more like Brains and Bondage (that is, a smart and good thing). Bondage-Themed Baddies would probably fit into something like the following list. Just remember that it's a costume motif first and foremost—as far as I can tell from this entire thread. I listed personality stereotypes as optional to reflect that.
edited 20th May '13 10:31:03 AM by DunDun
Wandering...Bump for votes.
Wandering...BDSM Is Evil and Bondage Themed Baddie are in the lead at +6 at 8 for and 2 against. Do we call the crowner now?
edited 7th Jun '13 2:39:27 PM by DunDun
Quasar10 votes is too little. Also, we still need descriptions for those proposals.
Bump. Why is it chosen as BDSM Is Evil, not Bondage Is Evil or something? Again, for the trope "BDSM is portrayed as bad", I think the current title could be kept for that one.
QuasarI assume it was a crowner writing flub.
I guess the names could be decided later, as written on the crowner description.
-sigh- This has been here for a good amount of time now. The most popular option on the crowner has little opposition too.
I think it's probably a good time to close it. We'd need to go through the examples that are on Bondage Is Bad, and work out which ones meet the requirements of one of the new tropes and which are neither, for sorting onto the new pages. Does anyone else have any name suggestions?
QuasarThe names can wait until we have descriptions.
See my last post.
QuasarA name is not a sufficient description.
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