Feminist Frequency (old thread. Locked):

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7751 Mukora12th Apr 2014 08:37:41 PM from a place , Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
Yeah. You can vent all you want, rant about how you hate men, straight people, cisgender people, whatever. But if you call for them all to be killed, raped, mutilated, turned into frogs... you're kind of a dick, in my opinion. I get where you're coming from, but that's still not cool.
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7752 emeriin12th Apr 2014 08:41:40 PM , Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Rhyme Beat honestly reminded me of why I'm iffy about Schroedinger's Rapist. As someone sexually abused and had her rapist be called charming I totally understand women being wary of men, but with stats like this, "every man has potential to be a rapist" is certainly going to trigger victims off. I need to look around more because I've never seen that brought up.
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7753 DrStarky12th Apr 2014 08:42:30 PM from Corn And Pig Land , Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
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I'd just like to make it clear that me saying I have Aspeger's was not in anyway meant to be read as anything like "I'm going through the same thing he does so I don't think he has any right to complain" and I apologize if it did.

edited 12th Apr '14 8:43:29 PM by DrStarky

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7754 Zennistrad12th Apr 2014 08:49:02 PM from Ravnica , Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
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This is exactly what I'm saying, thank you.

You know what's funny, there have been multiple cases throughout high school and middle school where I did something stupid or just plain awful and was given less punishment because of my disability.

But the thing is, I don't really want that. The idea that I should be let off the hook for what I say or do because I am "not normal" psychologically makes me feel like I'm weak. Like the things I do don't really matter at all because I'm "that Asperger's kid", like my actions are automatically of less consequence.

This is part of the reason why I don't think that people who are less privileged shouldn't be called out for saying something truly dickish: in my mind it reinforces their lack of privilege by treating them as though they're less important.

edited 12th Apr '14 8:51:24 PM by Zennistrad

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7755 Mukora12th Apr 2014 08:50:05 PM from a place , Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
Addendum: The dick thing only applies if you do it in public. If you do it in privacy, where no one can be affected by it, that's fine.
"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
7756 MrAHR12th Apr 2014 08:53:26 PM from ಠ_ಠ , Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
Zennistrad: Consider yourself lucky in that sense. My ex had aspergers, and he would be frequently punished more harshly, or treated more harshly, because of it
Most people, even pro-venters, draw the line at calls for physical violence, assault, or suicide. I've often seen blogs on tumblr engage in lengthy, vitriolic, angry arguments with people, and then making a post towards their followers going "WTF STOP SENDING THEM DEATH THREATS JUST STOP"

See, this isn't entirely consistent to me. If you hate somebody that much, why do you care about them at all? If somebody engaged in a lengthy, vitriolic, argument with me, I'd feel like they were trying to get me to off myself.

edited 12th Apr '14 8:57:40 PM by Robotnik

Anger does not mean the same thing as hate.
7759 MrAHR12th Apr 2014 08:58:36 PM from ಠ_ಠ , Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
...that seems a bit black and white, to me. For example, I've engaged in long vitriolic arguments with my best friends and that was certainly not my end goal. anger in one area does not mean across the board HATE FOR ALL.

edited 12th Apr '14 8:58:50 PM by MrAHR

[up][up] In my experience, it really does.

[up] But I wouldn't engage in vitriolic arguments with my best friends in the first place. I wouldn't consider them my best friends if talking to them made me angry.

edited 12th Apr '14 9:00:48 PM by Robotnik

It does not, very much it does not.

You can be angry with some one and not hate them, I am often angry at my friends, they are still my friends.
[up] Well, that's your experience.
7763 Mukora12th Apr 2014 09:04:10 PM from a place , Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
Yeah.

The main distinction: Anger is temporary, and triggered by something specific. Hatred is mostly permanent, and triggered by multiple factors.
"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
7764 MrAHR12th Apr 2014 09:04:51 PM from ಠ_ಠ , Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
Also, even if one hates someone, that doesn't mean they wish death or assault. I hate Justin Bieber. I don't want him dead or assaulted.
Regardless of the difference between the two, here's the thing;

Being yelled at by somebody doesn't shame or shock me into anything; it just makes me angry because I feel like someone's trying to intimidate me and use me for a punching bag.

I'm not saying feminists can't or shouldn't "vent", but it's not a universally successful tactic. Nothing is.

edited 12th Apr '14 9:16:29 PM by Robotnik

7766 MrAHR12th Apr 2014 09:16:14 PM from ಠ_ಠ , Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
Definitely true! Unfortunately it's hard to know what strategy works in the long run, so often times you'll see a variety of strategy employed by a variety of people.
7767 Madrugada12th Apr 2014 09:17:09 PM , Relationship Status: In season
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That's quite enough of this bullshit rudeness, slagging, dismissiveness, and personal crap. I'm locking this thread down and there will be discussion among the mods about whether it will be reopened at all and what else is to be done.

Don't hold your breath waiting for it to be reopened.
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7768 Madrugada22nd Apr 2014 04:13:30 PM , Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Ok, after discussion among the mods, we've decided that this thread is too toxic to be reopened.

A new one will be made for talking about the show, and only the show. General discussion about women's issues, men's issues, privilege, or any of the hot-button -isms will not be welcome here; we have dedicated threads for those topics elsewhere in the forums.

It should go without saying that the "No nastiness or dickery" rule will apply to the new thread, but considering how much nastiness and dickery there was in this one, I guess it needs to be said: All the forum rules will apply to the new thread, and if it gets nasty, it will also be shut down, and that will be the end of it. This also means that carrying a fight from this thread over to the new one will be treated as "Importing a war".

Y'all are getting a fresh start. Don't fuck it up.
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