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Needs Help: Big Breasts Big Deal get usage counts

^^ If I had to guess I would say he meant that the fact we have these tropes about breasts specifically when they are based on broader themes we could be using instead makes it looks like tvtropes is obsessed with boobies.

To be fair though I think that is a reflection of the media's obsession with breasts. Like, we have a trope for 'person is indifferent to an attribute most people find sexy (Indifferent Beauty), ' but if we included the examples about ladies being indifferent about their breast size specifically those examples would outnumber the others. Because examples about breast take a specific form and are very common they could qualify as a sub-tropes, and this is not because editors are breast obsessed nessisarily, but because the media we draw our examples from is. Ditto for 'woman dislikes having big boobs because she gets too much attention' (basically a subtrope of So Beautiful, It's a Curse) and 'woman is proud of having big boobs' (basically a subtrope of Proud Beauty). Personally, I can see why people want them split off, but I think I would prefer just sticking them together.

If we do split though, I propose that instead of seperating 'big boobs' out of 'beauty' we make the distinction between beauty and sexual appeal. So, for example, instead of Proud Breasts we could have a trope that included dudes who were boastful about having large cocks or women who are proud of their hindparts or whatever. Hell, we could include characters who boast about their Power Perversion Potential.

Hell, we cold take this a step furhter and get rid of A-Cup Angst and replace it with something like I Just Want To Be Sexy, a counterpart to I Just Want to Be Beautiful that focuses on characters who want to gain attributes that will make people consider them as potential sexual partners, rather than character who just want to be prettier. Pretty much everything in A-Cup Angst could go in there, but it could also include guys who want to be more cut or taller or have a bigger penis in order to attract more sexual partners. I think that might go some ways in getting people to focus less on the tits and more on the tropes.

I suppose 'woman dislikes her big boobs because they are logistically inconvient' is not covered any any trope I know of, though. That might not be a bad one to creat.

^ A lot of good points there.

Piffy
I suppose 'woman dislikes her big boobs because they are logistically inconvient' is not covered any any trope I know of, though. That might not be a bad one to creat[e].

Perhaps we could call that one Inconvenient Breasts, assuming it isn't Too Rare to Trope?

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I don't think Proud Of Her Breasts or whatever is part of Proud Beauty, because you can be proud of your breasts without being beautiful and you can be proud of your beauty without having big breasts.

I do think this might be part of Buxom Is Better, though. If that trope is about other people admiring a character's big breasts, wouldn't it also include the character herself?

 80 Marq FJA, Sun, 28th Apr '13 2:57:22 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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Buxom Is Better is about the opinion, so it doesn't matter if it's the buxom character or other characters holding that opinion.
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@78 It may well be too rare to trope. I know it happens irl, but I cannot thinks of too many places where it has happened in fiction. Eerie Cuties is the only place I can think of.

edited 29th Apr '13 9:11:33 AM by willthiswork

Piffy
Only place I can think of is Busty Girl Comics, which is literally all about the practical issues surrounding day-to-day life with large breasts.

edited 29th Apr '13 2:07:33 PM by Pig_catapult

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 83 Marq FJA, Mon, 29th Apr '13 2:51:08 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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I can certainly attest to the fact that the problems that often come with larger-than-average bust size do get mentioned frequently enough in anime/manga to merit troping (the wonders of Japan having a lot less societal taboo/stigma than the Western world on sexual fanservice in its fictional works); it's just that it's rather rare for the occasion to take more than a short portion of a scene (let alone be a major focus of an episode/chapter or even the whole show/comic), barring more fanservice-heavy ecchi works. And let's just say that it's quite common in big-breast porn manga/doujinshi (less restrictions on sexual content and all) and leave it at that.

edited 29th Apr '13 2:52:07 PM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
The proud examples have gone to YKTTW to sink or swim. People are welcome to YKTTW any other related tropes that they want. Fast Eddie has called for us to cut this page. Can we start dismantling its wicks now?

 85 Septimus Heap, Wed, 1st May '13 1:55:52 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Yes, but we'll need a list of pages we are splitting this to.

Indifferent Beauty, Obliviously Beautiful, Big Breast Pride, So Beautiful, It's a Curse and Embarrassed Beauty. The examples from Big Breasts, Big Deal are already moved to those pages, though sometimes commented out.

edited 2nd May '13 5:22:13 AM by AmyGdala

I think resentment should get its own page. The remaining three, least the examples that fit, can be merged with Obliviously Beautiful, Indifferent Beauty, and Embarrassed Beauty.

 88 Willbyr, Tue, 4th Jun '13 5:56:12 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Clock is set.
Made a YKTTW D Cup Distress (resentment) and Big Breast Pride (pride) seems launchable. How about turning this into a sort of inverse page of Pettanko? Make it a disambiguation page and limit the scope to pride and resentment.

 90 Marq FJA, Tue, 4th Jun '13 7:05:04 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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[up] Why exclude the others? And why use "D Cup Distress" instead of "Big Breasts Distress"?
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[up][up] Pettanko is an established fanspeak term. Big Breasts, Big Deal is not.

[up] Because Added Alliterative Appeal, that's why.

[up] Yep. Well that's why I said "sort of". It has a lot of inbounds so I hate to lose the page.

[up][up] It's too broad. Pride and resentment seemed like the only ones that could stand their own as pages, as of now at least.

edited 4th Jun '13 8:04:52 PM by captainpat

I think the word you're looking for is disambiguation. We did it with Badass Longhair just a few days ago.
 94 Miin U, Tue, 4th Jun '13 8:51:35 PM from in my mind Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
@81: I've seen it crop up once or twice: like Variable Geo. Yuka constantly has to alter her uniform, since her breasts are large to begin with, and they're still growing.

Sakaki is another such character, since her classmates constantly remark about the size of her breasts; often to her chagrin.

The D-cup Distress page also has a fair number examples so I don't see why it couldn't stand as a separate trope.
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 95 Septimus Heap, Wed, 5th Jun '13 12:02:22 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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A disambig is certainly doable.

 96 Marq FJA, Wed, 5th Jun '13 3:13:57 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
It's too broad. Pride and resentment seemed like the only ones that could stand their own as pages, as of now at least.
I don't see how including Vanity, Indifference and Ignorance in the Disambiguation page makes it "too broad".
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
[up] Like as in those three getting their own pages as well or just being there along with links to D-Cup Distress and Big Breast Pride? Because unless they're getting their own pages I don't see much point in them being in a disambiguation page.

D Cup Distress seems ready.

So disambiguation page? any other opinions?

The disambiguation page sounds good.

My take on the Big Breasts, Big Deal is, the name sounds like a character is indifferent rather than resentful or proud about having big breasts and is a bit confusing.

Big Breast Pride and D-Cup Distress are more concise and to the point, and if it doesn't work out as a disambiguation, why not make Big Breasts, Big Deal about indifference and come up with another disambiguation page?

Plus, Embassment could easily be covered by D-Cup Distress, and if we need one, I'm sure there's a trope for ignorance (maybe Oblivious Fanservice Girl?).

edited 9th Jun '13 11:40:21 AM by maxwellsilver

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