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Ambiguous Name: White Haired Pretty Boy get usage counts

Sounds like it needs a more specific name then, but that's for another thread.

[up][up]Oh, so there are two stereotypes: one for Evil Blond Aryan (strictly blond, usually with very short hair) and one for Pale Hair Dark Heart (long straight white/silver/blond hair).

Inbound check for White-Haired Pretty Boy (because I don't remember seeing one yet): there are only 121 of them (and almost half are duplicates). Of the first 38, I see:
  • 9 (+ 4 probable) about the appearance (and several are just looking for examples of the appearance, so they wouldn't be hurt by the redirect)
  • 5 (+ 2 probable) about the personality stereotype
  • 6 without enough context to tell
  • 1 that's just referring to the page picture ("Who is this anime guy?")
  • 8 copies of TVTropes pages
  • one duplicate
  • two that don't actually contain the link

So only about 13/38*121=41 links would be confused by the redirect - and many of those are forum posts, which have little long-term traffic anyway.

On the other hand, 40% of the page (the Subversions section) is about white-haired pretty boys who aren't White Hair, Black Heart. The pure appearance trope is awfully popular.

edited 8th Mar '13 2:37:44 PM by Antonymous

Pure appearance labels are very popular on Character pages and elsewhere on the wiki, but they're not tropes (nor are they trivia). Hence, this long-term project/thread has a lot of work to do.

edited 8th Mar '13 4:24:24 PM by ArcadesSabboth

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Isn't it one of the tropes like Impossible Hair Color, Mukokuseki, Functional Magic and Acceptable Breaks from Reality that are tropable not because they mean anything but because they're unrealistic?

White-Haired Pretty Boy/Girl is also noteworthy for lacking the real-world meaning: white hair in reality means "old", but white hair in fiction doesn't mean that. That's worth documenting.

edited 8th Mar '13 11:00:32 PM by Antonymous

As shimaspawn has said, "Silver, very light grey, and white count, " and "You'd have to look at pictures. Is it a stand in for white?" It's not Pale Hair Dark Heart (long straight white/silver/blond hair) because it's an anime trope and in anime there's blonde and there's white and they do mean different things.

I don't see why we would list every young character with white hair any more than we would list every character who has blue or pink hair.

I've been wondering why Blonde Guys Are Evil. Blondes being used to show nazis or racial purity makes it make more sense. Is it the same for the female Blondes Are Evil?

 281 shimaspawn, Sat, 9th Mar '13 4:26:35 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Sometimes it's the same for the female trope, but just as often the female trope is about this idea of a shallow evil beauty and being blond is just a shorthand for pretty and shallow.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
[up][up]Ohhh.

I added a temporary redirect from White Hair, Black Heart, so the already-changed wicks will work.

That's backwards. I'll fix it.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
I know it's backwards; I just did that as a temporary way to fix the red links, since I wasn't sure if it was OK to move it yet. Sorry.

Anything left besides the wick cleaning?

 286 Septimus Heap, Wed, 20th Mar '13 4:10:56 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
That and record-keeping. Will do that.

Done. What do we do with White Haired Pretty Boy Examples?

edited 20th Mar '13 4:43:10 AM by SeptimusHeap

 287 Septimus Heap, Tue, 2nd Apr '13 7:26:52 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
OK, did all of A. As is normal for these wicks, a lot of them were "Trope: Character", "sub-/aversions" where only the looks were there, and black hair too.

Piffy
For the record, the proposed Power Is Bleach thing sounds like a duplicate trope to Locked into Strangeness to me.

edited 7th Apr '13 3:13:03 PM by Pig_catapult

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I might point out that this is not about Aryans.

This is a character design aesthetic specific to Japan, especially anime. Nor is this a term we made up here, in anime circles White-Haired Pretty Boy (or White Haired Bishonen) is a pretty common term.

If we need to clarify the name, we'd probably be best served by just adding an adjective: Evil White Haired Pretty Boy or Amoral White Haired Pretty Boy.

edited 7th Apr '13 10:45:11 AM by Sackett

 
 290 Septimus Heap, Sun, 7th Apr '13 10:46:23 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I note that we already did the rename.

So were done here? Anything need to be done to White-Haired Pretty Girl or no?

 292 Septimus Heap, Sun, 7th Apr '13 11:09:01 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
No, the White-Haired Pretty Boy wicks still need cleanup.

 293 shimaspawn, Sun, 7th Apr '13 3:50:40 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Locked into Strangeness would be a sub/sister trope to Power Is Bleach since it's a) only about hair, b) specifically about stripes in your hair, c) doesn't require the supernatural or having it be a sign that power touched you.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Interesting. Is White-Haired Pretty Girl a term used in anime circles as well or is it a snowclone of White-Haired Pretty Boy?

 295 Septimus Heap, Mon, 8th Apr '13 11:20:46 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Google tells me that WHPG seems to be mainly a TV Tropes thing.

 296 Psyga 315, Mon, 8th Apr '13 11:23:45 AM from Dungeons & Dragons No Sekai Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Nanako The Narcface
[up][up]A bit of both, it'd seem. The trope describes that White Hair = Supernatural Magic or something and the title suggests the latter.

So... Supernatural White Hair?

edited 8th Apr '13 11:23:58 AM by Psyga315

"An MMORPG without a logout button? That's a bold decision, man!"
I don't think white haired pretty girl is a distinct trope. It's just Mystical Waif with white hair.

 298 greycover, Tue, 9th Apr '13 2:59:07 PM from Barcelona
Sword of Change
I think the best way to solve this would be by bisecting the tropes. Make the "morally ambiguous, evil examples" into a completely new trope; If Kaworu was the Trope Codifier, then why not do what we did with Rei Ayanami Expy and make one for Kaworu where White Haired, evil characters belong?

Then transform White-Haired Pretty Girl into a trope that lists characters whose White Hair is an indicator of magical aptitude.

Examples of the first; Duke Pantarei, Mao (Male) and Selvaria Bles, Reinforce Eins (Female)

Of the later; Hope (Male) and Irisviel (Female)

edited 9th Apr '13 3:00:44 PM by greycover

Since when were you under the impression, that you weren't under an impression in the first place?

 299 Psyga 315, Tue, 9th Apr '13 4:14:23 PM from Dungeons & Dragons No Sekai Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Nanako The Narcface
And if they're both?
"An MMORPG without a logout button? That's a bold decision, man!"
I've never seen the term "White-Haired Pretty Girl" on an anime forum before, wouldn't know what it was without checking the trope. I have seen "White-Haired Pretty Boy" and I knew what it was without having to check our trope page. This guy or this guy.

I wonder if it started with InuYasha (and this guy), or if it existed before that. (Ahh... I see people identified Kaworu as the first occurrence, that makes sense. I guess some of the later attributes I think of were added by Sesshomaru and others).

I suppose it's possible the term was popularized here on TV Tropes. If the trope has already been renamed then I guess it's pointless to discuss it. What else is left to do?

edited 9th Apr '13 7:01:10 PM by Sackett

 
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