Or be used as bait and unarmed cannon fodder
Inter arma enim silent legesThe people behind the Quiverfull movement (and therefore the popularity of the Duggars) are arranging a "marry off your pubescent daughter" retreat in Kansas. Emphasis mine.
Quiverfull patriarch, Vaughn Ohlman, who runs a website promoting early, “fruitful” marriage for Truly True Christian™ children, has announced plans for a “Get Them Married!” retreat where fundamentalist fathers will find, and TAKE, suitably submissive young brides to bear many babies for their adolescent sons.
The weekend retreat, which will be held in Wichita this coming November, is “designed to bring together like-minded families (and their unmarried young men and women) who are committed to young, fruitful marriage and to help them overcome the barriers which have kept their children unmarried.”
For around $1200 per family, Quiverfull parents will spend three days “networking” with similarly-delusional zealots who believe men are to be in charge, wives are to be submissive baby-makers, and children are to be sheltered, isolated, indoctrinated, and pushed toward early, prolific marriages for Jesus.
How early? According to Ohlman, young men and women should get married as soon as possible:
When do boys become men and girls become women? When are their bodies developed enough to have children? When do they begin to develop romantic interest in the opposite sex, and when does fornication begin to become an issue? The Bible provides many reasons for marriage, and most if not all of them demonstrate that marriage typically ought to happen in the youth (as in, before the age of 20).
In case you’re inclined to doubt these freaks actually mean to marry off their girls the minute their bodies have developed enough to have children, Ohlman elaborates, so make no mistake about it:
John Calvin defines the “flower of her age” (1 Corinthians 7:36) as “from twelve to twenty years of age”. Likewise, John Gill defines it as “one of twelve years and a half old”. And Martin Luther says, “A young man should marry at the age of twenty at the latest, a young woman at fifteen to eighteen…” We do not endorse marriage at ages as young as twelve. Our position is that, for a woman:
The ‘youth’ ready for marriage has breasts. A woman who is to be married is one who has breasts; breasts which signal her readiness for marriage, and breasts who promise enjoyment for her husband. (We believe that ‘breasts’ here stand as a symbol for all forms of full secondary sexual characteristics.)
The ‘youth’ ready for marriage is ready to bear children. Unlike modern society Scripture sees the woman as a bearer, nurser, and raiser of children. The ‘young woman’ is the woman whose body is physically ready for these things, physically mature enough to handle them without damage.
The ‘youth’ ready for marriage is one who is ready for sexual intercourse sexually and emotionally. Her desire is for her husband, and she is ready to rejoice in him physically.
I know what you’re thinking … “Those sick bastards!” Right?!!
Why do they want to rush their kids into marriage and coerce them to start having babies ASAP?
[W]e know from scientific studies (as well as first-hand knowledge, in many cases) that the fertility of women (and even men, to some extent) goes down steadily after the age of 20, and dips even more sharply after 30 and 40. This is even more the case if a woman has reached such an age without having had any children yet. So, by reason of these facts, it is clear that it is best to marry much earlier than 30 to better fulfill the command to be “fruitful and multiply”.
Try not to lose your lunch, cuz it gets worse. These deranged “men” don’t actually care about their daughters’ consent:
Scripture speaks of the father of the son “taking a wife” for his son, and the father of the bride “giving” her to her husband…. It gives example after example of young women being given to young men, without the young woman even being consulted, and often, in some of the most Godly marriages in Scripture, the young man is not consulted….
Some use the idea of “consent” to deny the very relevance of the action of their authorities to bind them in covenant, as if a covenant was of no effect whatsoever and all that matters is what the person themselves decide. Others consider a covenant to be something substantial but that it is not really binding until the person themselves “consents”.
In contrast, our study of Scripture has shown that the Word of God considers a covenant made by an authority to be meaningful and binding upon the those under his or her authority. Biblical consent is not the “consent” of dating or courtship. It is not a “veto” power. It does not presume to cast judgment over their father’s actions. And so, a lack of consent of the individual concerned is a choice of disobedience, a breach of a vow and of a relationship. God has designed the marriage relationship (in particular that of the virgin daughter marrying the virgin son) to be a relationship initiated by the parents, in particular the fathers, of the young couple. This is the example that God uses constantly in Scripture, and even where an example strays from this, these principles are still kept in focus.
Goddamn, these sick, delusional f*ckers … some of these patriarchs go so far as to expect to “Get Them Married!” via Ohlman’s retreat for profit:
Bride price: What is it, and why is it important? Wouldn’t a bride price be like selling your daughter? A “bride price” is anything paid or given by the man or his representative at the time of his betrothal or receiving his bride.
Scripture certainly teaches about it, but it is not mandated, however, except in the case of a couple of laws. The law concerning bride price (Exodus 22:16-17) indicates that part of the punishment for fornication with an unbetrothed woman is the payment of a “standard” bride price for virgins, indicating that the bride price was a normal part of the marriage process.
The bride price plays a significant function: It shows the woman’s value, and the point isn’t that the father gets the money but that he keeps it for his daughter, if her husband should ever abandon her
Yeah right, Daddy’s gonna save the money just in case … uh huh.
Heard enough? Seriously, this is the sort of what-the-fuck True Believers™ in the Quiverfull world consider “godly” and “biblical.” It’s sick and it’s scary and it’s all the more disheartening when you realize that the patriarchs take it all very, very seriously and foist this nonsense on their children … actual young women and men whose “choice” is to obediently honor their fathers, or else face the wrath of God and the hordes of Hell for daring to believe that their lives are their own to do with as they please.
edited 5th May '16 1:25:32 PM by BlueNinja0
That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - SilaswIf nothing else there's a strong case for child abuse.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ CyranOh hey something that's close enough for me to go picket.
If the girls and boys don't consent then it's also mass accessory to rape.
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Congratulations. That is the worst thing I've heard in a very long time despite happening at the same time as a Trump candidacy. This is actually worse than Trump.
I want everyone involved in this arrested. I want CPS and a load of police to crash this event, arrest these parents, and take away their children. I need that to happen.
edited 5th May '16 2:33:14 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently liveblogging Haruhi Suzumiya and revisiting Danganronpa V3.Is there any chance of getting the Feds to nail those bastards?
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Someone's got to file a case to find out. Does freedom of religion count in this situation?
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotConsidering that most of those FLDS creeps get away with raping girls and exiling boys (the government has only cracked down on a few of the higher ups recently).... I'm not getting my hopes up.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.A question occured to me: if high heels make women look sexy, why do they wear high heels in the workplace?
More questions on how showing feminity affects women in the workplace.
Site refuses to show anything while an adblocker is active. Screw it.
Why do women wear high heels in the workplace? Because men, consciously or sub-consciously, judge them for their sex appeal. If they're not good-looking, they don't get as much respect. And good-looking can only mean sexy. Of course, if they're sexy, they also don't get the right respect either... like many other situations it's a lose-lose for women.
Related: women who are skinnier find it easier to get hired. http://business.time.com/2012/05/02/why-being-overweight-could-earn-you-a-lower-salary/
Also, on the Let Them Marry child trafficking retreat — good news, guys! Their venue refused to host them and it's been cancelled. http://www.christiantoday.com/article/controversial.get.them.married.teen.retreat.cancelled.after.outcry/85489.htm
I'd rather they be arrested then it be cancelled, they'll probably just do it online now instead of in person.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ CyranThere probaly protected by freedom of religion. :/
What gets me about Quiverfull - you know, apart from the whole child trafficking and rape thing, which everyone should agree is terrible - is that their entire philosophy is based on the words, "be fruitful and multiply", a set of words taken out of context from even the rest of the sentence, let alone the passage. For reference, here's where God said it. It's from Genesis 1:20-23.
- And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”
- So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
- God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”
- And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
He hadn't even gotten to making land yet, let alone humans. He was talking to fish.
edited 9th May '16 12:03:22 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently liveblogging Haruhi Suzumiya and revisiting Danganronpa V3.An interesting legal wrinkle is that they're not legally marrying their children off, as they practice betrothal, which they consider binding as a marriage but which is not a legal ceremony.
Actually he does say it again in verse 28, specifically to humans.
Also, Quiverful is a term that encompasses a lot of different beliefs; not all people who call themselves Quiverful are on board with the particular brand of betrothal and child marriage that this conference promotes.
edited 9th May '16 12:06:08 PM by rabbitchaser
Seems that "prettiness" for an woman is awfully close to "sexiness"...
@rabbitchaser: Not a particularly useful study since it doesn't compare male and female applicants; I would be quite shocked if the magnitude of this phenomena isn't more significant among women, but I'd be equally shocked if it doesn't significantly impact male applicants as well.
Fat and/or shorter men also tend to receive lesser salaries and suffer some bias during the hiring process and during work also. To no one's surprise, this pretty much means that being an attractive person improves your odds at work.
Inter arma enim silent legesI'm aware of that, but what I'm saying is this study is of limited use in regards to women's issues, since it doesn't provide a comparison to hiring trends among men.
edited 10th May '16 11:02:01 AM by CaptainCapsase
Yeah, I knew this was a thing but didn't have a link saved or much time to find the best study, so I settled for the top search result that was from a credible source.
wrong thread
edited 13th May '16 5:43:10 AM by hellomoto
So I just got into a discussion with my mom about abortion. She asked why unwanted babies can't be given up for adoption. She also brought up this weird new law where a fetus has to be 'put to sleep' before an abortion.
Which makes no sense to me. Plus the fact that most pregnancies are terminated within the first two trimesters
Mostly because most children never get adopted and finding foster homes until children can be adopted is complicated at least.
Inter arma enim silent leges
Actual pacifists can get out of the draft though, or at least sent to suport roles.