Women's Issues

Furious Emperor? What's the meaning behind it?

edited 24th May '15 7:46:03 PM by Quag15

I am gonna go see it tomorrow. :D

It's damn good. The entire thing is just one huge ass action sequence.

And Imperator is her title given to her by Immortan Joe. Furiosa is her actual name.

Dunno about any deeper meaning to it. It's Mad Max, shit just sounds cool.

edited 24th May '15 8:01:21 PM by LeGarcon

And it's also Portuguese and (I think) Spanish for 'Furious' (female form - male form is 'Furioso'). Hence why I was asking.

Well she is full of fury in that movie

Regarding women's issues...in fact I am pretty sure I have mentioned this before but YOU KNOW. WHATEVER. GOLDFISH MEMORY. HAHAHA. WHAT'S MY NAME.

The clothing issue with women seems to be prevalent from...kindergarten years. Same problem with pants, be them denim, or whateverthefuckelse. Just. So. Used to it. At least children don't have to deal with breasts.

Well, really young ones do. Because they nurse from them. But I am talking about older kids.

By 5th grade I was a B cup, which means I was about 11 years old. I was a year younger than everyone because of my birthday so I was probably 10.

So you can imagine developing that young in the world we have really messed with me.

Even if my mother wasn't the batshit she was I still had teachers tell me not to wear white shirts to school or I would be sent to the office to have my neckline measured. Then because I was forced to wear oversized and dowdy clothes I was mocked for that.

As I got older I wasn't allowed to be friends with guys because of my figure.

My self esteem was all sorts of fucked up growing up which also lead to me not being able to recognize healthy relationships or pick up on red flags. Like if I had better sense of worth I know I would have never dated my son's father because I would have had the awareness to see through his manipulation, not be a pawn of it.

I guess that is why body shaming and health awareness for women is such a dear topic for me.

I just cannot for the life of me understand body shaming.

I like boobs. I want to see them more frequently. Why can't it just be that simple?

My mom equates skin to low self respect. In her mind, low self respect equals bad life choices, bad majors, abusive spouses, etc.

I don't know if guys necessarily think the same thing.

I equate exposed skin to cancer and nasty sun burns under the South American scorching sun.

edited 25th May '15 11:59:40 AM by AngelusNox

If anything I equate showing skin with high self-respect. You must have a thick skin in order to show it.

I don't think guys think the same thing consciously. Like, "Hey, baby, why don't you come with me and make some bad lifestyle choices!" would be a terrible pickup line.

But I do think there is some judgmental response. More skin is more arousing. It makes it easier to mentally undress you, to think about what it'd be like to take you home and....

Contrary to popular belief, men do not constantly think about sex. However, once we start thinking about sex, it can be difficult to stop. It grows and grows in the back of our mind until it gets hard to focus on whatever we're doing and demands release. Then we sometimes make bad choices, which is how you get news reports about men with their penises stuck in tables and the like.

Point is, because men blame women for our erections, many of us wind up equating "gets me aroused easily" with "easy to take to bed."

I think there's an underlying expectation — women who show more skin (so the line of reasoning goes) are doing so to make themselves more sexually appealing and thus are more willing.

That's the line of thinking I usually see. Apparently people can't understand that sometimes it's impossible to not have something be stupidly revealing or form fitting

edited 25th May '15 12:57:29 PM by LeGarcon

Okay. So. I wanna share two things. One is related to the subject currently being mentioned and the other is as related to it as my uncle to yours. In the case you find a link: HI, COUSIN.

Here is the first one: Meet (SPANISH) Melissa Mora. She is apparently, someone. I have never ever ever before in my life heard about her, but she is apparently a known model, and she has a couple of lingerie stores or something. In the link I presented above you can see her as she went to the Latin Billboard awards where she sung something called "A mover el bam bam". Translated to "Let's move the Bam Bam".

Personally, I do not watch this, I do not like that sort of music so, be the judge yourself. Whatever. Point is, she sings horribly and she seems to be lacking in humility. "I have talent to spare" is a quote she is proud to sport.

Why is this relevant, you might say? Well...a bit of Women's Issues in latin american cultures. This link (Spanish. I link for source purposes but I am aware one needs to register to link it but sadly it is a thing that is only in that newspaper) has an article made by another woman regarding the controversy sparked by Melissa Mora. I translate it below. Bear in mind the original author is from a woman.

Mmm. Could touch it a bit more. I just found it relevant to the current subject.

Ok, second thing. There is a complaint on the United Nations going on that some campaigns like 1 for 7 billion are bringing to light. Basically, the United States Permanent Security Council are the ones who select the Secretary general. Behind curtains.

So the campaign tries to promote the need to make the process a lot more clear and transparent and among the many things, they point out that the very selection process calls for a man on the spot. Though it is a concern of the U.N to have equality of women in all positions since 1970, no woman has been Secretariat ever

edited 25th May '15 12:17:46 PM by Aszur

You say, "I like boobs. I want to see them more frequently. Why can't it just be that simple?"

Does age matter? My boyfriend didn't understand why teachers had a problem with teenagers wearing revealing clothing until he was older and realized that the teachers were attracted to the teenagers and didn't want to be attracted to people that young. Does it matter if the boobs you see are on a 16 year old or a 60 years old?

The friendzone thing is an annoying concept created by bitter males.

Bitter people. There are bitter females in regards to this matter as well (there's simply less open discussion and visibility).

The processes to "rationalize" the "friendzone" thingy do tend to differ a bit, though. How do bitter females "rationalize" it, and what are their methods?

not much diferent actually, in fiction there is the equivalent of the "jerk boy and his girlfriend who dosent know better" is the "popular girl who is a bitch, not like me"

After all friendzone(for whatever gender) is rooted in part for self esteem issues and a the fact that is easier to have the self confidence to talk to the other sex went you are atractive,rich or just have better charisma with people, mix that with the "you are the hero in this story" and you get the friendzone

Aszur, thank you so much for that translation.

That is so very true and I sincerely wish more women would get out of each other's way and just live.

The author was brilliant with calling it out.

See it's always weird for me, since my big media explores to the freindzone idea haven't played it strait. I remember when Scrubs did it very early on and it was a very different concept, it was more akin to "time is your enemy, make your interest know with a certain tiemframe so a non-romantic relationship doesn't become a fixed fact of your interaction". The other one was Stargate Universe where Eli gets chewed out massively for thinking that being a friend over a romantic partner is somehow coming second.

As for the revealing clothing, I'd suggest that the problem there is the older people being unable to differentiate between finding something attractive and being attracted. You can consider that something/someone is objectively very pretty without being attracted to then person. I'd suggest that that's the problem with out sex focused culture, it's considered weird if you find some aesthetically appealing but have no actual interest in them.

Oh and can we not use "males" to refer to men, we've been told to not use "females" so I figure the same standard should apply. (O god... I just realised... I'm the Shinra of the sexism threads...)

Edit: Oh I missed the thing on a women secretary general, I suspect that part of the problem is a worry of if they could deal with certain countries. The Secretary general is pretty much the cat herder of the world, trying to stop us all fighting and killing each other. For that you need to be a top diplomat (how high do women tend to get in the diplomatic field?), from a relatively neutral country (so South Korea, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Peru), not be someone that would piss off the P5 (they each have a veto) and be able to negotiate with pretty much every country in the world.

The last one is a real problem, there are a lot of misogynistic national governments out there and if they choose to they can just ignore the Secretary General, I suppose the fear is that if the Secretary General was a women they woudl do just that. And those regimes are the kind we most often need to keep in line.

edited 26th May '15 4:34:23 AM by Silasw

Thanks. And while I can see and agree with the issues the author brings forth, I just think she could have chosen a better example. She simply chose Melissa Mora because she is some sort of laughing stock on online memes or so. But I think she could have chosen a better one, like say Hanna Gabriel because Melissa Mora just sings awfully. And That's Terrible. Sure, Hanna is not mocked, but she has been also subject to minor controversies.

I do not believe that keeping women out of sight is going to help them get over that, however. How can women get the image of responsible intelligent and strong (things mysoginistic societies do not view them as) if there is no one who can set forth the example because we are keeping them in the backburner, or the refrigerator?

Just cuz' they don't like it it does not mean we need to cave in to them.

That's the problem isn't it, do we work within the system or try and break out of it so as to fix the issue. I do wonder actually how such regimes deal with women who are in charge of a country, they kinda have to deal with them.

Though I do wonder if I'm overestimating the misogamy, are there any heads of state who've refused to meet with Merkel because she's a women? If not then why not have women as secretary general? The problem is finding a suitable one, anyone know any potential candidates? There are a few UN Under-Secretary-Generals that could work, that's how Annan came up. Two women have also been Deputy Secretary-General, so maybe one of them could move up?

edited 26th May '15 8:29:50 AM by Silasw

Using my gifted skills of reason and logic I cannot describe a person who refuses to make a deal with another based on their race or gender as nothing more than a "tantrum".

Using my yet other gifted skills of parenthood, I paternally approach you with a tug of your shoulder and say "We don't humor tantrums".

LEGAL: I am neither reasonable, logical, nor a parent. But COME ON.

edited 26th May '15 8:40:43 AM by Aszur

When world leaders throw them yes we do. IR is pretty much nothing but humouring different tantrums at least a bit.

Internal sexism is a very damaging thing.

But I think this is inherent in any minority group.

Consider the black parents who try to raise their kids with immaculate manners and dress "whiter". It is most often from the fact that they know their child will already be the subject of discrimination just for their skin tone. So they don't want to give any more ammunition to be used against their child.

Women are more likely to be raped and what is the first thing out of the media's mouth:

• What was she wearing?
• Was she asking for it?
• What kind of woman was she?

So if one discourages any sort of behavior or attire that could make people respond to her like this, then they will do it.

Women aren't taken seriously in the business sphere most of the time and aesthetics is a huge contributing factor.

My concern is that by forcing or pressuring other women to adhere to what you consider "safe" or "appropriate" dress codes and conduct, you're encouraging things like rape culture and aggressive sexual objectification.

My breasts are only a big deal because society has deemed them to be a big deal. There is nothing inherent about a woman's physical makeup that makes her worthy of objectification.

Men should be offended by this practice too. Basically it's the Burka effect. Women have to cover up and be careful because men are insatiable animals who can't stop themselves from treating women like shit if they see any skin or even the illusion of the body underneath. Men are too stupid to respect women and treat them as people unless they are dressed as a nun.

EDIT:

International relations is not about humoring tantrums. It is about understanding cultural diversity and navigating these to get what you want.

You don't shake someone's hand with your left hand, but that doesn't mean you have to make your female colleague sit in the car.

It's about coming to an agreement. And that doesn't have to be at the benefit of both sides.

edited 26th May '15 8:35:04 AM by Gabrael