Needs Help: Generic Doomsday Villain

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26 SeptimusHeap11th Feb 2013 02:28:18 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Yes. It's a disqualifier.
Alright, so that means I can remove Fire Lord Ozai, because he's motivated to Take Over the World? That was one example that I found very questionable.
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28 SeptimusHeap11th Feb 2013 02:36:19 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Yank Ozai then.
29 Ghilz12th Feb 2013 04:49:21 AM from The Moon, Or Canada , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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If having a motivation - even a generic one like Take Over the World, is a disqualifier, then most of the examples one the very page are disqualified since they have motivations. Lame onea, but Motivations nonetheless.

Doomsday had a motivation: He's a Blood Knight and was looking for a fight

Bane wanted to take over Gotham...


edited 12th Feb '13 4:50:04 AM by Ghilz

30 SeptimusHeap12th Feb 2013 05:03:17 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Yeah, cut these examples when you see them.
What if they really are being evil for the sake of being evil?
32 SeptimusHeap12th Feb 2013 05:25:12 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
I think this trope's definition is no "cited" motivation. If they state explicitly For the Evulz, cite it for that instead of Generic Doomsday Villain.
33 Madrugada12th Feb 2013 05:35:46 AM , Relationship Status: In season
There's a difference between "goal" and "motivation".

A Goal is what you want to do. A Motivation is why you want to do it.

"I want to take over Gotham, just 'cause I want to" is a goal without a motivation. "I want to take over Gotham to get revenge on the people who didn't help me when I was homeless" is a goal and a motivation.

edited 12th Feb '13 5:36:06 AM by Madrugada

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34 CobraPrime12th Feb 2013 05:43:49 AM from Canada , Relationship Status: Robosexual
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So Ozai would still be an example then?

EDIT: Someone deleted a ton of examples, including some that AFAIK are valid.

edited 12th Feb '13 5:47:49 AM by CobraPrime

35 SeptimusHeap12th Feb 2013 11:17:31 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Called them in.
I apologize if I caused a problem, I saw the clean-up thread and thought I might help in my own way. I cut the examples of villains, I felt either didn't fit the criteria as was already point out in this thread or are fairly popular with their respective medium's fanbase in which case, they cannot really be generic as there are people out there that like them or find them interesting.
That's not how we're using the word generic here.
Definitions of GENERIC

A : relating to or characteristic of a whole group or class : general B : being or having a nonproprietary name <generic drugs> C : having no particularly distinctive quality or application <generic restaurants>

I assumed the page was going with definition C as well as the idea that this character here is boring. If not, than again I apologize for getting involved in a matter I had no real business in.
[up]If we included the part about the character being boring, then we would have to put the YMMV banner on it. This trope doesn't have the YMMV banner for a reason.

Now, can we also erase the wiki clean of everything that says that Doomsday is the Trope Namer considering he's not even an example of this trope (anymore, at least).
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Going back to what Madrugada said about motivation and goal; the Laconic says that the definition isn't that there is no motivation, it's that the motivation and goal are incoherent. This is where things can get a little messy, since I think the coherence can be a little subjective.
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41 AnotherDuck13th Feb 2013 12:51:37 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
I think it's something like the difference in Show, Don't Tell. If we're just briefly told (lampshade, token nod, or something else that isn't elaborated on), about the villain and who she is, it counts, but if we're actually shown why the villain has the motivations she has, then it doesn't count.
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42 SeptimusHeap13th Feb 2013 12:53:24 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Regardless, you should never judge a trope by its name.
For the record, this trope used to be named Boring Invincible Villain. It was renamed way back when. [1]

edited 13th Feb '13 10:17:31 AM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
[up][up]The name has to be at least somewhat indicative of the trope definition. Otherwise that's one of the factors that leads to misuse.
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[up]I'd say you can just delete this thread now, since I think we've made enough progress and it turns out the issue wasn't that big in the first place.
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47 SeptimusHeap11th Apr 2013 06:03:51 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Lock you mean.
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