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 1 Morwen Edhelwen, Tue, 29th Jan '13 2:06:16 AM from Sydney, Australia
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This thread is for brainstorming issues in Perilous Realms, the Urban Fantasy novel I'm drafting. Right now I'm having an issue with some parts of the backstory. I'm going to use a stanza of an old poem (that Tolkien himself also used as a source for his dwarven names).

I must tell of the dwarves in Dvalin' s host; Like lions they were in Lofar's time: In Juravale's marsh they made their dwelling, From their Stone hall set out on journeys,

There was Draupnir and Dolgthrasir, Har, Haugspori, Hlevangur, Gloi(n), Dori, Ori, Dufur, Andvari, Skirvir, Virvir Skafidur, Ai, Alf and Yngvi, Eikinskjaldi, Fjalar and Frosti, Finn and Ginnar: Men will remember while men live The long line of Lofar's forbears.

I have a dwarf character descended from Eikinskjaldi. I know that in my backstory for the other world, Eikinskjaldi/Oakshield and other Dwarves from Dvalin/Dwalin's line formed tribes of their own. What I can't figure out is why these dwarves would form tribes of their own. I have total writer's block on that question.

edited 29th Jan '13 3:13:34 PM by MorwenEdhelwen

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 2 Morwen Edhelwen, Tue, 29th Jan '13 6:38:08 PM from Sydney, Australia
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bump

edited 29th Jan '13 6:38:22 PM by MorwenEdhelwen

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 3 Matues, Wed, 30th Jan '13 10:30:57 AM Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
So the question is: Why would the various dwarves form tribes?

Well..

If they are the first and most prolific of some sort of settlers, then they could have larger and more stable families.

I'm not sure what the issue is. Most readers, I'm sure, wouldn't question that various old dwarves are the progenitors of current dwarf tribes.
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Tribal identity is based mainly on kinship. A tribe is essentially a clan writ large; most of them trace their identity back to a common ancestor or ancestral group. When members from one tribe decide to go settle somewhere else, they'll often form a new tribe, though they might maintain good relations with the parent tribe (or at the very least a symbolic link with their old identity) — unless, of course, they were exiled or forced out of the community for some reason, wrongfully or otherwise.

For instance, everyone descended from Einskjaldi might consider themselves part of the same tribe, but each line descended from his sons might also consider itself a separate clan, and any of their particularly fecund or noteworthy descendants might have descendants of their own that form their own unique collateral branch of a clan with its own identity apart from the rest of the clan.

edited 30th Jan '13 4:18:02 PM by Specialist290

 5 Morwen Edhelwen, Wed, 30th Jan '13 3:03:30 PM from Sydney, Australia
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@Specialist: your post trailed off...
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Bah, must've gotten cut off in the editing. I can't think of where it was I was going with that, but if I do think of it, I'll just make a new post.

edited 30th Jan '13 4:19:16 PM by Specialist290

 7 Morwen Edhelwen, Wed, 30th Jan '13 7:18:44 PM from Sydney, Australia
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OK, actually, I had the idea that being a direct descendant and being a son of the previous chieftain means you are in line for the chieftainship. And being the chieftain means that you are eligible to be elected king.

edited 31st Jan '13 8:15:04 PM by MorwenEdhelwen

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Definitely plausible and reasonable. Sounds a lot like the old Irish system of tanistry.

 9 Morwen Edhelwen, Thu, 31st Jan '13 8:17:43 PM from Sydney, Australia
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Tanistry was Scottish, too. But the heir doesn't have to be a son, and the chieftainship can also be an elected rank. And fosterage is also practised as well, as it was in ancient Norse society.

edited 1st Feb '13 7:10:43 PM by MorwenEdhelwen

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