Mass Effect: Andromeda

Well they were humans or whatever before the Reapers changed them.

I think of them in the same line as Cannibals and Marauders and so on.

Oh really when?

The enemy Factions in ME 3 are Cerberus, Geth, Collectors and Reapers- which is the various races infused with Reaper tech.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

I knew about the factions stuff from multiplayer. I've played a bit of multiplayer. But that wasn't what I asked or what the answer I got was.

Also, don't the Collectors also get Husks? I forget.

edited 2nd Jan '14 5:52:39 PM by unnoun

They did in 2 but in 3 they get Abominations instead.

At least in multiplayer.

I always assumed that the Husks were on like loan or something from their Reaper masters.

edited 2nd Jan '14 5:57:26 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?

They get Abominations, Scions and Praetorians.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

The same way the Geth made Husks in the first game. Except the Geth had to drag Dragon's Teeth everywhere.

Praetorians aren't really husks- they're not encountered outside of Collector forces (unlike Scions and Abominations, which are found on the Derelict Reaper) and according to the art book, they're Collector constructs that for some reason use Collector DNA and happen to use a bunch of husk heads as a power source.

Collectors are basically Prothean husks, though they seem to be more intelligent than the others at least, being able to pilot vehicles, and have their own unique subtypes (Drone, Captain, Guardian, Assassin, Praetorian) while other husks just come in one variation. The exception is the human husks. They have 3-4 variations: normal husks, electro-husks, exploding husks, and Scions.

Not really. They're just cybernetically modified like many soldiers in the 'verse. They count just as much as, say, the Overwatch soldiers from Half Life 2. And, as was noted, even if they didn't count, the mercs from the Citadel DLC are exclusively human.

edited 2nd Jan '14 6:00:15 PM by CPFMfan

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I forget, do electro-Husks even show up past the first game?

edited 2nd Jan '14 6:00:43 PM by unnoun

Nope. Yet bizarrely, Shepard says that the normal, naked, unarmed husks that run up and punch you are more advanced than the ones with kinetic barriers and electric blasts. Go figure.

edited 2nd Jan '14 6:03:43 PM by CPFMfan

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Considering Bioware's focus on story, a racially-customizable character seems unlikely. Too many variables. But I would like the Multiplayer to have more customization. Say, each race can play a given number of classes (humans get all, of course), and each class and race has unique powers. For instance, only Asari learn Stasis, but it's up to you whether you want to use it to immobilize enemies for an Infiltrator headshot, set them up for a biotic explosion, or what have you.

Special classes like Warlords, Armiger and N7's get their own sets.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.

The Baldur's Gate series, Dragon Age Origins, and Dragon Age Inquisition would like a word with you.

edited 2nd Jan '14 7:00:29 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

I just want my N7 Destroyer outside of multiplayer.

I love that guy.

Oh really when?

YES.
Point. But, correct me if I'm wrong, races seem to be a much bigger deal in ME than those other franchises.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.

Must...resist...urge...to...argue about quarians and geth!

(I know it was many posts ago and it's likely to get flamey if we talk about it in detail, but damned if it isn't difficult to restrain myself since I feel so strongly.)

Alls I'm gonna say is that I couldn't disagree with you more, CPF, but you're entitled to your opinion.

edited 2nd Jan '14 7:31:56 PM by KilgoreTrout

I wish there was an option to wipe out the Quarians and the Geth at the same time.

If only for the potential Black Comedy/Horror value as Tali and Legion both stand there.

edited 2nd Jan '14 7:33:21 PM by unnoun

Then you get to do a double flipoff while dancing backwards.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.

No? I don't know where you'd get that idea from.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

I guess I'm breaking my own slightly-after-New-Years-resolution mere minutes after making it by saying this, but here's what my characters did with that conflict.

As a Paragon, I let Legion upload the code and told the quarian fleet to stop attacking them and back off. Result: peace, followed by the geth actually helping the quarians get settled and even working to eliminate their need to wear suits all the time. They're bigger sentients than I would have been in their place, considering they almost got completely exterminated by those very quarians.

As a Renegade (on my second playthrough so I knew what was going to happen) I often did what I'd previously thought of as evil stuff. Continuing that playthrough just earlier today, in fact, I overloaded the reactor on Omega and condemned thousands of innocent people to death just because Aria wanted to save her own ass. I made the deal with the salarian Dalatrass, gunned down Mordin when I couldn't hide what was going on from him and couldn't talk him out of walking away (although I have read that it's possible to do so), gunned down Wrex when he figured things out and came after me...on a side note, sometimes I reconsider my policy of playing these games as a nice person the first time around and then playing as an awful (or at least not-so-nice) person the second time around, because it means that by the time I'm completely finished with a game containing a Karma Meter I have kind of a bad taste in my mouth from being such a bastard. As curious as I was to see the scenes where Wrex and Mordin died, it sure didn't make me feel good watching them die.

Anyway...the point is that I kept on forcing myself to do the opposite of what my Paragon did, what I wouldn't do if I were really in that position, what I personally consider the "evil" option even if the game doesn't flat-out tell me that's what it is.

The "evil" option to me, in the battle over Rannoch, would have been to say "Tali's my friend, and she's a flesh and blood person, and those geth are nothing more than machines so who cares about them? Wipe 'em all out."

And my Renegade had encouraged the quarians to go to war with them in 2, prior to recovering and speaking with Legion.

In 3, when it came down to it...I just couldn't bring myself to do it. The quarians (or the ones calling the shots, anyway) were willing to commit genocide in order to steal a world that never belonged to them, i.e. that this particular generation of quarians had never lived on and had no need for. Yeah, I know that the Council had blocked their efforts to colonize new worlds because "No, you can't have that one, the elcor are getting it instead," and stuff like that. But two wrongs don't make a right.

They didn't even try to negotiate with the geth first. They just launched an unprovoked assault on them. I say unprovoked because we need to remember that the non-heretic geth hadn't attacked the quarians at all, except during the Morning War and that was self-defense.

Tali and Koris were the voices of reason, in my opinion. But Koris, in this playthrough, had been killed after crashing on the planet. As for Tali: when it was her, me, and Legion on that cliff, she was telling me to let her people wipe out all the geth.

My Renegade's move was to let Legion upload the code...and give the quarians no warning whatsoever.

So I kind of did the closest thing to what you said that was possible, since we all know what happens after that.

EDIT: Got a PM from CPF inviting me to talk about this there in order to keep this thread clean, so that's what I'm gonna do since it's probably best for everybody. As for everybody else: ignore the above if you'd rather talk about something else and minimize the chances of a geth/quarian argument flaring up here, or respond to it if you like and we'll do our best to keep things civil, either way.

edited 2nd Jan '14 8:01:30 PM by KilgoreTrout

Man now you've reminded me about how much I hate that Dalatrass bitch.

Oh really when?

Yup, compared to her the Udina of the first two games looks like a saint.

Anyway, I've heard that this year we're going to get some good solid info on Mass Effect 4.

Any bets on when it'll actually come out? I'm betting late this year.

Oh really when?

I'm betting the same.

I only don't like her for doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

I think I'm going to start another playthrough, all the way back from 1, as either an Engineer or a Vanguard. Those are the only classes I haven't completed the entire series as- well, except the Adept, but I'm not playing as the Adept...

edited 2nd Jan '14 8:52:01 PM by CPFMfan

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Kilgore: While I've only ever made peace between the two sides, I think both sides of the quarian/geth war are kinda assholes. I actually place a little more blame on the geth, though. You mention the quarians not trying to negotiate, to which I would reply: Neither did the geth. In fact, the first game tells us that any ships that enter the Perseus Veil are destroyed. So even if anyone did want to negotiate, the geth have ensured that it's impossible. Add to this the fact that the first time the geth were seen outside the Veil, they were slaughtering people on behalf of the Reapers. Shepard learns that those geth were Heretics, a relatively small portion of the total geth population, but who else do the geth try to tell that to? They tell one human, who's running around with a terrorist organization, and who a lot of people think might be a little crazy with his conspiracy theories about the Reapers.

The galaxy has no real reason to believe negotiation with the geth is possible. The geth themselves ensured no one would ever try. As far as the quarians were concerned, wiping out the geth would've been denying the Reapers a powerful slave force.

I like the geth, before they got the upgrades and became Real Boys in a shitty Pinocchio arc. (Once they got the upgrade, they became far less interesting to me.) But they brought the war on themselves.

X-Men X-Pert, my blog where I talk about X-Men comics.

Okay, it seems to me that what probably happened was this. They wrote the story of the first game and their initial idea was that the geth were gonna be this Always Chaotic Evil race, albeit one that wouldn't have ended up that way if organics hadn't tried to kill them all off centuries ago and made them paranoid.

At some point after that, when they were writing 2, they changed their minds and decided to show us that geth weren't Always Chaotic Evil after all, and that the factions we saw in 1 (both the heretics and the "independent" geth you find for Tali's pilgrimage) were not representative of geth as a whole.

But there was still the stuff from the first game about the geth killing people who ventured near their space and so on. They couldn't exactly change that.

It's not nearly as bad as the way Blizzard kept on changing the World Of Warcraft lore, but it still creates problems.

I'm basing my opinion of the geth on the stuff we see of them in 2 and 3. Less so on the stuff we see in 1, and certainly not any EU material since as well-written as a work's EU stories can be sometimes, other times EU material can be bullshit.

And based on those two games, they didn't deserve what the quarians tried to do to them in 3.

edited 2nd Jan '14 9:22:16 PM by KilgoreTrout

In all truth, I'm sort of doubting that the ships who ventured into the Veil had the best of intentions in mind anyway.

The Codex doesn't always give out information that is entirely truthful.

Oh really when?