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The Grand and Unified Appearance Trope Clean Up (now on ThighHighBoots):

Currently on the table: Thigh-High Boots

There is on TV Tropes, a common bad habit that persists among editors of using appearance tropes, or names that sound like they could be appearance tropes, badly. They always suffer from the same problems and they tend to clog up the TRS like they're on a revolving door. As such I'm making a large scale special effort in order to address the common problems all of these tropes have.

Sometimes non-appearance tropes are mistaken for appearance tropes. Report them here and the clean-up will be handled.

We're going to search for the best ways to change the culture and make sure that the misuse stops. Tropes will be handled here and we'll likely have a fair number of crowners on this thread. Keep checking back for new developments.

For full details, including the to-do list and crowner list, check this post.

edited 8th Apr '14 9:23:55 PM by Madrugada

 151 Septimus Heap, Thu, 13th Dec '12 10:08:33 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
^I already put in an edit request for that page.

 152 shimaspawn, Thu, 13th Dec '12 10:57:04 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Blond Brunette Redhead is about giving a trio of characters visual contrast so that they stand out from one another, but they do need to be a trio and not just three characters in the same work.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 153 SKJAM, Thu, 13th Dec '12 11:03:34 AM from Minneapolis Relationship Status: Cast away
Great and Powerful
If we need to retitle Mismatched Eyes (which I am still against) Mismatched Eyes Matter would be a good choice.
 154 Septimus Heap, Thu, 13th Dec '12 11:08:41 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
I like Mismatched Eyes Matter, also because it's easier to rename to.

Ecce Homo Superior
[up]Supporting it.

edited 13th Dec '12 11:42:51 AM by DoktorvonEurotrash

(it's David Bowie)
I'm really surprised at the lack of consensus for Shiny Midnight Black, despite how totally un-trope-like and meaningless it is.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Not really into a rename for Mismatched Eyes, but at least Mismatched Eyes Matter has the alliterative appeal.

 158 Xtifr, Thu, 13th Dec '12 1:46:44 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
[up][up]Yeah, there's times I miss the whole "strength of the argument" thing that the other wiki uses instead of voting. Relying on pure votes is why it can be so hard to get rid of bashy, complainy pages sometimes. Some people think bashing and complaining is just too much fun, and will vote against cutting it whenever they can.

I suspect a similar effect is going to happen sometimes with appearance tropes. Some people just aren't going to care that it's not a trope—they still want to use it to help describe their favorite character.

edited 13th Dec '12 1:47:19 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 159 Madrugada, Thu, 13th Dec '12 1:55:46 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Got Hair of Gold on the Easy Breather page.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
 160 Troacctid, Thu, 13th Dec '12 2:59:22 PM from California
A reminder for Shiny Midnight Black, if we don't get a consensus, the definition remains as-is: "Shiny black hair with blue or purple luster." No special connotations or additional meanings, just the color.

edited 13th Dec '12 3:00:17 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
Seeking for Light
I'm curious why people are opposed to having Shiny Midnight Black be the visual convention. It's definitely a thing, and it's related to storytelling...

 162 Septimus Heap, Thu, 13th Dec '12 3:12:48 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Because nobody brought it up, or because it's not on the page at all.

 163 Troacctid, Thu, 13th Dec '12 3:25:23 PM from California
Well the crowner option for it is "Just keep it as is", which implies leaving the current description in place. It's a pretty bad description. I certainly wouldn't want to keep that description.

I also think its tropability is dubious.

edited 13th Dec '12 3:25:47 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 164 Xtifr, Thu, 13th Dec '12 7:59:56 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
I think some people just hate to see a page go, and would rather redefine and rename something than simply start from scratch at YKTTW, even if that means throwing out all or most of the examples, and engaging in a lengthy and tedious review of wicks.

I remember that happening with some trope about nukes recently. The definition was completely changed, so all the examples had to be fixed, and the trope was renamed. The whole exercise made no sense to me. I mean, throw out the name, the definition, and the examples, and what have you got? :)

Not sure that Shiny Black Whatsit is really in that territory, but I think it may be close, at least if we really want to try to do anything useful with it.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
All the ZC examples will have to go anyway, no matter how the crowner turns out. And since there's nothing to say other than "Character has black hair with _____ highlights" there's not going to be much left.

I question, however, the logic and fairness of "just keep it the way it is" winning by default if there's no consensus, since that option is at the bottom. A runoff of the top two options would be better.

edited 13th Dec '12 8:40:25 PM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
"Just keep it the way it is" should not win by default since it's at the bottom of the page. If there's not a clear winner between the first two it should be to 'cut all examples, but keep the page, ' because you can always cut it later and most people want to at least cut the examples.

Ecce Homo Superior
I support turning Shiny Midnight Black into a visual convention trope.

EDIT: Support, not suppose. Gah.

edited 15th Dec '12 4:19:55 AM by DoktorvonEurotrash

(it's David Bowie)
 168 lu 127, Fri, 14th Dec '12 4:38:29 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Pro-Pinkist
Whatever happens, both examples and silly wicks about character's hair colours will go away.
 169 Willbyr, Fri, 14th Dec '12 6:37:12 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Might be best to do a runoff crowner between the two options in the green, since the others have been in the red pretty much from the get-go.
 170 Septimus Heap, Fri, 14th Dec '12 6:53:33 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Yeah, we'll need a runoff crowner here.

 171 lu 127, Fri, 14th Dec '12 6:55:40 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Pro-Pinkist
Closed the crowner, will hook a runoff later.
 172 Madrugada, Fri, 14th Dec '12 10:43:30 AM Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
Swapped in a runoff.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Does the "keep" option include making it exampleless?
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 174 Septimus Heap, Fri, 14th Dec '12 10:50:26 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
As written, it doesn't. The old crowner did include example cutting.

edited 14th Dec '12 10:51:29 AM by SeptimusHeap

 175 Madrugada, Fri, 14th Dec '12 11:20:21 AM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Ok, I've edited the new crowner to use the same wording as the original one.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
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