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The Grand and Unified Appearance Trope Clean Up (now on ThighHighBoots):

Currently on the table: Thigh-High Boots

There is on TV Tropes, a common bad habit that persists among editors of using appearance tropes, or names that sound like they could be appearance tropes, badly. They always suffer from the same problems and they tend to clog up the TRS like they're on a revolving door. As such I'm making a large scale special effort in order to address the common problems all of these tropes have.

Sometimes non-appearance tropes are mistaken for appearance tropes. Report them here and the clean-up will be handled.

We're going to search for the best ways to change the culture and make sure that the misuse stops. Tropes will be handled here and we'll likely have a fair number of crowners on this thread. Keep checking back for new developments.

For full details, including the to-do list and crowner list, check this post.

edited 8th Apr '14 9:23:55 PM by Madrugada

Mismatched Eyes needs a rename. It's collecting a lot of zero context examples and misusage since it's being used for every case of Heterochromia in fiction.

I'm a little uncomfortable deleting ZCEs when I don't know whether the character actually fits the trope or not. Throwing my hat in nonetheless.

Curtains Match the Window: The description suggests it's for unusual hair colors only, but I'm seeing this used on character pages even for brown eyes. Delete such examples?

 128 shimaspawn, Tue, 11th Dec '12 8:16:07 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
There are enough good examples that if the character really does fit the trope they can be added back later, but when misuse rates are well over fifty prevent it's more important that the clean up is a little overzealous, than too lenient in a way that lets the misuse grow back.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 129 Deboss, Tue, 11th Dec '12 8:53:08 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Baring brown and black eyes from Curtains Match The Windows sounds reasonable. The main issue is that it's visually striking. Brown hair and eyes aren't striking they're usually plain.
 130 shimaspawn, Tue, 11th Dec '12 9:03:24 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I agree. They are pretty mundane and brown hair with brown eyes especially is something possessed by the majority of the world population. I don't think that's what the trope is going for.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 131 Willbyr, Tue, 11th Dec '12 9:10:11 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Agreed that Curtains Match The Windows needs to be for unusual cases, like the page pic.
I'm torn on a particular Hair of Gold example.

From His Dark Materials:

"(Lyra) is described as a dark blonde— when it's clean enough."

The lack of context suggests it was there just as an appearance trope, but I wasn't sure whether to keep it as the actual trope. Young, yes, essentially good, yes, innocent... kind of a plot point, but someone who's described as an Anti-Hero on the same page probably isn't what the trope goes for. It's been a while since I've read the books. I deleted it for now, but as long as we're discussing Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold anyway I thought I'd bring it here for a second opinion.

edited 11th Dec '12 10:22:58 PM by InsanityPrelude

 133 shimaspawn, Tue, 11th Dec '12 10:32:39 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
He's not an example. He's not wholesome, chaste, noble and knightly.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 134 Troacctid, Wed, 12th Dec '12 12:38:25 AM from California
Even without knowing the work I wouldn't hesitate to zap that one. If it's giving you pause, then you're probably not aggressive enough.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 135 Septimus Heap, Wed, 12th Dec '12 4:13:18 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Just another question: Does this thread also treat the "attractiveness" tropes (which are usually about appearance as well) or do these go in their own thread?

 136 shimaspawn, Wed, 12th Dec '12 4:42:46 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Those tend to have a slightly different pattern of misuse. Let's stick to the meaningful appearance tropes for now. Perhaps if we run out of those.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Mismatched Eyes needs a rename. It's collecting a lot of zero context examples and misusage since it's being used for every case of Heterochromia in fiction.
Not really. Even if it is being used for every case, that's not an issue. The purposed fix for Curtains Match The Windows doesn't give it any more context than "strange hair/eye colors that match" either, but that hasn't hit a wall because of it.

Now, things like Zero Context Examples probably still need work, though.

 138 shimaspawn, Wed, 12th Dec '12 8:59:29 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] It is a problem if it's being used for any case because the trope definition itself says that it's only for plot relevant heterochromia.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 139 SKJAM, Wed, 12th Dec '12 2:25:15 PM from Minneapolis Relationship Status: Cast away
Great and Powerful
I'd say Mismatched Eyes only needs thorough cleanup rather than renaming (it's certainly better than the previous name, Boat Lights.) The only way we could make it clearer is with a name like Mismatched Eyes That Have Actual In Story Meaning Not Just Every Case Of Different Colored Eyes Dammit.

I do recommend, however, that the Mismatched Eyes cleanup be announced so that people who watch some pages but don't often get to the Workshops area don't feel too blindsided.
 140 Madrugada, Wed, 12th Dec '12 2:31:46 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Mismatched Eyes Matter?
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 141 shimaspawn, Wed, 12th Dec '12 2:48:07 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] That's a good one.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 142 Medicus, Wed, 12th Dec '12 7:10:36 PM from Australia
Sierra 117
Shiny Midnight Black should be cut. It's not like Fiery Redhead, where the hair colour is tied to a personality type, it is literally "this person's hair is so dark it has blue highlights."

edited 12th Dec '12 7:14:44 PM by Medicus

It's not over. Not yet.
 143 Willbyr, Wed, 12th Dec '12 8:08:41 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
[up] Maybe it should be renamed to something like Blue On Black Hair (to read Blue-on-Black Hair) to deal solely with that particular artistic concept.

edited 12th Dec '12 8:09:14 PM by Willbyr

If we're just bringing up appearance tropes that have problems then what about Blonde, Brunette, Redhead? It specifically says, "The trope is strictly for visual appeal; they are not personality types." No meaning means not a trope and it should be cut or at least cut all examples, right?

edited 13th Dec '12 12:33:28 AM by lexicon

 145 Septimus Heap, Thu, 13th Dec '12 1:02:47 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
"Visual appeal" is a meaning to me.

Seeking for Light
[up] Agreed. "Meaning" doesn't necessarily have to be in-story; it has to convey some information (even if that information is just "we want you to find these characters attractive").

 147 Septimus Heap, Thu, 13th Dec '12 7:46:36 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Also, I just removed almost all T wicks to Hair of Gold: 529 wicks to go now.

Blonde, Brunette, Redhead may be a trope the same way Significant Greeneyed Redhead is: it's not a common combination in real life given the ratios of hair color, so if the 3 main characters are this then it's probably a conscious decision.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 149 Troacctid, Thu, 13th Dec '12 8:53:53 AM from California
I would have thought it's more like Fat and Skinny. Visual contrast.

edited 13th Dec '12 8:54:20 AM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
Looks like we're almost finished with Hair of Gold. The last one seems to be in a locked page: Webcomic.The Easy Breather Wow, that was fast!

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