On TV Tropes, it's very common for editors to misuse appearance tropes, as well as tropes whose names make them sound like they could be appearance tropes.
Meaningful Appearance tropes are often misused in ways that overlook the "Meaningful" aspect, resulting in Zero Context Examples and misuse in the form of examples that have no meaning even if the tropes themselves are not People Sit on Chairs.
The Appearance Tropes Cleanup sandbox covers tropes with potential issues. Tropes that simply require cleanup will go through this thread, while tropes that require more significant action will have to go through the Trope Repair Shop.
April 2, 2023 update: This thread is no longer for making changes to tropes, and was brought back from the Projects Morgue solely for cleanup. Making changes to tropes is still a job for the Trope Repair Shop.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 2nd 2023 at 9:18:26 AM
The Other Troper
"Fair enough. I guess YKTTW'ing a supertrope is the better way to go."
Okay then. Now what should we do about Opera Gloves?
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I'm still not convinced there's much of an individual trope there. The gloves on their own don't seem to mean much. They're just accessories to other more meaningful outfits.
Not a single one of the examples on the page is anything but X wore these.
edited 24th Sep '15 1:02:50 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
I say there are far too many meanings. It works more like a Useful Notes page than a trope. I believe this is why it has a problem with ZCE; there is a misunderstanding that any time these gloves appear, it is a example.
The high class/high social status etc asscoations have value for their characterization potential. For instance, they could be a visual cue between a Proper Lady and a Spirited Young Lady. If nothing else, that part of the trope should be preserved in some High Status Wardrobe Supertrope.
The Other Troper
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Well there would be more than just clothes.
Now dressing to show off one's position (including wealth) would be a trope, in fact a Super-Trope to quite a few costume tropes.
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Yes, I agree. That's why I suggested that it could be part of a larger trope. Someone with decorative gloves or ones made from more expensive fabric would fit with that.
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
That would seem related to the Ermine Cape Effect, don't you think?
The Other Troper
A Super-Trope to it. Requisite Royal Regalia would also fall under it. So would Pimped-Out Dress, Pimped-Out Cape, Nice Shoes, Everything's Sparkly with Jewelry, Pretty in Mink, Sharp-Dressed Man, etc.
I like this trope idea. Though I think that one-costume-element tropes (a la Opera Gloves) still have to go; their meanings merged into this new trope.
edited 25th Sep '15 10:39:48 AM by Rjinswand
The Other Troper
Well they can stay separate if they have distinct meanings, like how Cool Crown is distinct from Requisite Royal Regalia.
Yes, but these single articles of clothing with a dozen possible meanings have got to go.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
I'm not sure Cool Crown deserves to be distinct, to be honest. It seems to just be "royals wear crowns", which is already Requisite Royal Regalia.
The Other Troper
Well we can certainly get to those on this thread after this one.
Then the trope should be tweaked, as crowns aren't only for royalty. They can have other uses.
edited 26th Sep '15 8:30:54 AM by DragonQuestZ
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Currently Cool Crown seems to be X wears a crown. There are different types of crowns.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Shouldn't Boots of Toughness be listed on the Thigh High Boots disambiguation page?
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
The Other Troper
Well perhaps we should add a fleshed out definition (as in what wearing a crown shows) after we fix this trope.
They could if you want.
Indeed. Fleshing out a definition is an option.
I'm not sure Boots of Toughness are related to Thigh High Boots.
Boots of Toughness is when boots that look sturdy and practical signify a tough person. THB quite rarely look sturdy and practical.
Fair point. I was thinking along the "boots" angle.
Update post: all Thigh High Boots wicks are gone. All that remains is the disambig index, sandboxes and ghost wicks.
edited 29th Sep '15 1:55:52 PM by ChaoticNovelist
Hi
The IP thread
for Cool Helmet brought up the point that that trope is probably loaded with examples that are just the fandom thinking a particular helmet is awesome rather than any in-universe or critical noting of such.
edited 12th Oct '15 2:11:20 PM by Willbyr
The Unknown
There's really only 2 solutions here: cut wholesale or make it In Universe Examples Only.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
I agree with Karxrida.
The page's description says it's about "Helmets of all shapes and sizes", which isn't tropeable. The title implies it's about "cool" helmets, which is a gushing audience reaction that belongs in the Sugar Wiki. Or it could be made In-Universe Only, about helmets that are considered "cool" in-universe.
The description also mentions famous helmet types, and how they've influenced helmet designs in fiction. Those helmet types/influences could probably be salvaged and put through YKTTW as their own tropes.
Another possibly salvageable trope, that is glimpsed several times throughout the example list, is when a character's iconic look is defined by their helmet, instead of their head and face.
edited 12th Oct '15 3:03:32 PM by Rjinswand
The Other Troper
Perhaps make it about helmets that are made to look distinctive (similar to Scary Impractical Armor).
Also still not sure about what we're going to do with the current trope under discussion.
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The way I see it is this trope is more about cool, flashy and unique signature helmets that really stick out. They are connected with their characters so much that it is at least part of the merch.
Many helmets are their one defining feature like say Honda Tadakatsu who's antler helm was so flamboyant that he was easily spotted on any battlefield, which got carried over into fictional appearances such as Samurai Warriors
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◊. Historically Samurai in general made Cool Helmet their one defining feature as all armor kinda looked the same but helms were trademarked.
Then there are things like Sentai helmets, Char's Helmet in the original Gundam you can buy one
◊, Vader's helmet in Star Wars. Without those they are an entirely different character.
Edit: The Gundam's head
◊ was a Roman Helmet with Samurai style decorations, any subsequent suits can not be called a Gundam without that helmet and V like pattern, every Gundam head has a different helmet and fin design keeping with Samurai tradition.
They do come in all shapes and sizes though, all that really matters is it is theirs and being seen without it is meaningful or OOC.
edited 12th Oct '15 10:41:57 PM by Memers
It's now to about 40 wicks not including the sandboxes and some ghost wicks.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?