The Grand Unified Appearance Trope Clean-up:

"Costume and character design is absolutely trope worthy, why wouldn't it be? Seriously it's one of the most important things in a work, especially drawn works."

But what about this costume fits character design enough to be a trope? That's the key here (stuff I've been trying to work on in this thread).

edited 17th Apr '15 12:00:32 AM by DragonQuestZ

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The fact that a creator put a lot of work into something doesn't make it a trope. I don't think "having a lot of work put into it" makes anything a trope. I mean, in a general sense, sure, if a costume is exceptionally period-accurate or super-detailed or elaborate and spectacular, yeah, "putting a lot of work into it" is tropeworthy. But the fact that it's this or that specific type of clothing that took a lot of work to design does not, in and of itself, make it tropeworthy.

Also, I might be getting a bit pedantic about phrasing, but personally, I would never ask "Why wouldn't X be a trope," because that makes the assumption that everything is a trope and puts the burden of proof on the person stating that it's not. I don't feel like I should have to explain why "Molecules are made up of atoms, which are made up of subatomic particles" is not a trope.

The correct question to ask is, and should always be, "What makes this a trope? Why is it a trope? Why should it be a trope?" We should be focusing on identifying the tropeworthy aspects, not looking for reasons to say that everything is not a trope.

edited 17th Apr '15 8:55:58 AM by SolipSchism

I guess I agree with the plan to cut Thigh High Boots, and YKTTW all the supposed tropes we can salvage out of it.

Also, I disagree that Thigh High Boots is a Fanservice trope. THB can be used for fanservice, but that isn't inherent to THB. That's actually why making several THB-related tropes (some fanservice tropes, some not) would be good.

edited 17th Apr '15 9:06:01 AM by Rjinswand

So... is there anything more to do with this trope?

edited 24th Apr '15 2:02:16 AM by DragonQuestZ

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Well, a crowner maybe?

But boots are worn on the feet, not the head.

But seriously, yes I think we need one about whether to cut or repair. And note that cutting will not exclude proper tropes proposed in ykttw.

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I could make the crowner, but I don't remember how. It's been a while.

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How Crowners Work.

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Thanks

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Okay, seems there already is a crowner. Not sure how old it is though (as in if it was decided before this thread brought it up).

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A bit less than two years.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

So should we clear it, or is that not possible and we need to make a new one?

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I think we need to make a crowner with new options, that arose from the current discussion.

That said, the "Dom Boots" (dominatrix-inspired characters wearing THB) option that the old crowner proposed seems to be a thing — but it seems, the mods don't support it, so it needs to be probably mentioned on some other trope's page? Maybe a note on the page for dominatrixes?

edited 8th May '15 3:19:02 AM by Rjinswand

Please define "the mods don't support it". Because if the mods don't approve of something being on the wiki, trying to sneak it onto another page is a good way to get both the information and the troper who added it removed from the wiki.

If they just don't think it's worth a distinct trope, then the only way it's going to get added anywhere is if there is a legitimate Super-Trope to it. Trying to find someplace to shoehorn it in just because we want it to have a page isn't going to help anyone.

The old crowner has a link to an old YKTTW called Dom Boots, which ends in Fast Eddie saying it's a duplicate for the already existing Dominatrix page. But the current Dominatrix page is a very weird one, looking like it should be a Useful Notes but for some reason isn't. And the thing is, there are many dominatrix-inspired characters in fiction who aren't dominatrixes per se — they aren't practitioners of BDSM (or at least we don't know if they are), just their image is inspired by dominatrixes to show that they're tough, domineering and possibly sadistic women. I think it is a thing, but I'm not sure where should it go.

edited 8th May '15 10:33:21 AM by Rjinswand

Nah, on a careful reading it's just a trope that is example-less by design due to being very overtly sexual. That might be a decent place to mention thigh-high boots, but I don't really see the purpose it would serve.

I don't see a reason to mention THB there — especially since they're already mentioned there anyway. I was talking about mentioning the specific type of image, a dominatrix-inspired image, that usually features THB. I feel it's a thing, but it doesn't fit into the definition of Dominatrix (woman whose sexual dominance is her main trait).

~Pokes thread awake~

Since we have been on and off Thigh High Boots for over a year now and we really need to move to other tropes that need help, I'm going to create a crowner for the trope soon since that seems to be generally agreed upon.

Before I do so, however, I'm going to list the actions that could be taken for this trope

• Cut Thigh High Boots
• Repupose Thigh High Boots into a disambiguation and clean the wicks.

Are there any more?

Macron's notes

Need to specify what is being disambiguated between, I would say.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Okay, lessee: Boots of Toughness, Dominatrix, Combat Stilettos. and Zettai Ryouiki. How's that?

edited 19th Jun '15 12:55:34 AM by MacronNotes

Macron's notes

Thank you for waking up the thread! I support the crowner suggestion, but I think the list of disambiguated tropes needs to be clarified first.

There's one problem. The definition of Boots of Toughness says those boots need to look "sturdy" and "practical". It even mentions that high-heeled footwear generally doesn't fit this trope. Although it then makes an exception for Combat Stilettos, it is quite odd since Combat Stilettos isn't about boots that look tough — it's about how many female melee combatants in fiction wear high-heels even though it's rarely practical.

The idea I was describing in this thread ("THB can signify power, usually antiheroic or even villainous") seems to be a missing sister trope to Boots of Toughness ("tough-looking boots can signify power").

There seem to be two different meanings here. One is "dominatrixes wear THB", which of course should just be a redirect to Dominatrix. Another one is "THB are a sign that a character is "bad", "immoral", sexually active, sadistic and/or dominant — while not being a Dominatrix per se". Maybe it could be mentioned on the disambiguation page?

Agreed.

Agreed.

Also, I remember people mentioning the following meanings:

• THB as stereotypical footwear for pirates
• THB as stereotypical footwear for prostitutes

I agree with what said about Boots of Toughness, as it doesn't really belong in the disambiguation now that I think about it.

Anyways, I feel the implications of pirates wearing thigh high boots belongs in something broader than being turned into its own trope.

edited 19th Jun '15 11:04:36 AM by MacronNotes

Macron's notes

We already have Dressed to Plunder. Though it doesn't mention anything about boots specifically, I don't know if we need a subtrope just for them.

Thanks for bringing up that trope!

Yes, we don't need a specific subtrope for that. I suggest THB should just be mentioned on the Dressed to Plunder page among other stock costume elements (it seems to be a stock costume element for pirate women mostly). As for the THB disambiguation page, maybe this meaning still could be mentioned there, with a link to Dressed to Plunder.

edited 19th Jun '15 1:56:45 PM by Rjinswand

A bullet point on Dressed to Plunder would be enough for that part of the trope.

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