The Grand and Unified Appearance Trope Clean Up, new crowner on all Appearance Tropes: Opera Gloves

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Currently on the table: Opera Gloves

There is on TV Tropes, a common bad habit that persists among editors of using appearance tropes, or names that sound like they could be appearance tropes, badly. They always suffer from the same problems and they tend to clog up the TRS like they're on a revolving door. As such I'm making a large scale special effort in order to address the common problems all of these tropes have.

Sometimes non-appearance tropes are mistaken for appearance tropes. Report them here and the clean-up will be handled.

We're going to search for the best ways to change the culture and make sure that the misuse stops. Tropes will be handled here and we'll likely have a fair number of crowners on this thread. Keep checking back for new developments.

For full details, including the to-do list and crowner list, check this post.

edited 21st Oct '15 12:54:14 PM by SeptimusHeap

Need opinions, examples and/or hats for Shared Unusual Trait.
Shared Unusual Trait just launched.
478 MacronNotes9th Jul 2013 06:54:42 AM from Pennsylvania , Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Butterfly Queen
Alright, that means the last thing to do is to turn Mismatched Eyes into a disambiguation.
479 Willbyr10th Jul 2013 05:29:23 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
An IP thread has been created for Rose-Haired Girl, but it was pointed out that the trope may need to come through here for definition clarifying.

edited 10th Jul '13 5:29:56 AM by Willbyr

480 XFllo10th Jul 2013 06:59:02 AM from Moravia , Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Will Rose-Haired Girl be added to to-do list?

To me it doesn't feel like trope, but that could be just because I'm not exposed to anime/manga. The personality type behind this trope seems rather vague other than that pink is considered girly/feminine and that she might be The Pollyanna. It doesn't help that the page is littered with Zero-Context Example entries.

edited 10th Jul '13 6:59:43 AM by XFllo

481 MarqFJA10th Jul 2013 07:13:46 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
So it maybe an extension/subtrope of Pink Means Feminine?

EDIT: Huh. It's already listed as a subtrope of Pink Means Feminine.

edited 10th Jul '13 7:14:18 AM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
I think we're still missing some tropes for Mismatched Eyes as a noticeable amount of the cases I'm seeing are significant but wouldn't fall under the tropes listed on the page like for characters who have an artificial eye, that aren't cybernetic (Glass Eye?), or for characters who've had eye an given by another person but the eye isn't special so Badass Transplant wouldn't apply.
So I've entered into the conversation a little late in the game so excuse me if I've missed any of the nuance of what's going on here. I run a web comic with a relatively small fanbase of a few hundred. The page I've got going for my tropes doesn't get updated much, but I watch it always waiting to see if someone happened to add something new. I try not to Entry Pimp my own work. I love seeing the little red dot on my watchlist... but lately more often than not I see it for tropes being taken away rather than added.

I respect what you guys are trying to do. Appearance tropes should mean something. But when it comes to appearance... it's often one of the first things you notice about a character, it can be a subtle hint with the reveal coming much later... but the attempts to clear out miss use kinda seems quite hostile to these cases before that reveal happens.

If you'll indulge me citing on own stuff for examples of this situation:

It's the same problem I had back when eyes of gold changed. I've got a character with golden eyes... he's a badass normal villain who is creepy and off putting and it's hinted again and again that there is more to him than he's letting on... but until that reveal it's not quite Supernatural Gold Eyes now is it?

On the other hand I've got a case where I have Mismatched eyes... this one actually has had it's reveal. What essentially amounted to a Telefrag situation swapping the character's eye(the only visible indicator) and many internal organs with another person... the other guy died... and is now a zombie with a cybernetic eye in that socket. They both have mismatched eyes but it's not quite a Shared Unusual Trait if the other guy was flatout missing an eye... I dunno perhaps that counts as a subversion. But what I'm also getting at is that none of that was revealed until maybe 150 pages in. The character was around having those eyes since about page 4. So even if there is a trope now... would there have been no trope until that reveal?

I dunno. I personally like using appearance tropes to set up future things for the story to explore. You give an man a scar and there's a story to how he got it. But you can see the scar without knowing that story. Someone has a robotic arm? It says alot about the character even before you know why. Not knowing why doesn't change that these elements exist but so far these reworked tropes for weird eyes seem to be saying that if you don't know why then you shouldn't even be talking about them.

I'm just hoping that this is something that can be considered when moving forward. The line "Gold eyes are also harder to distinguish from "normal" colored-eyes, and hence can add more of an element of surprise if The Reveal shows a character to be something other than what they initially appear to be." is quite literally why I picked gold for the eye color of my "something is weird about this guy" villain and yet he's not eligible for the page because I haven't so much as lampshaded his eyes yet. It's a bad situation when a blatantly played straight example of a trope isn't technically an example. I notice the problem back when that trope was changed, but now that I see that there are intentions of sweeping changes of this nature I couldn't just ignore it.

edited 14th Jul '13 6:24:45 PM by Azgrut

485 nrjxll14th Jul 2013 06:35:45 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
This is a very wrongheaded way of looking at things. "Immediate troping gratification" is not a justification for much of anything; if your characters' appearances mean something then they can be added when that something means is revealed. Patience will not kill you

And frankly, neither will taking a less possessive attitude towards your work's page. Complaining about there being more tropes removed than added is not a good way to look at things either.
486 Madrugada14th Jul 2013 06:52:21 PM , Relationship Status: In season
"This character has gold eyes" isn't a trope.

When it's revealed that he has gold eyes because he has a supernatural origin, or that seeing his gold eyes could have tipped off another character that he was supernatural, then it becomes Supernatural Gold Eyes.

Right now, you're the only person who knows that his gold eyes are supposed to mean something.

edited 14th Jul '13 6:53:56 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
[up] Basically what I'm trying to get at here is that these appearance tropes can be used to indicate that there is something strange about a character... my question is if it's not a trope until The Reveal actually happens.

You're totally are allowed to answer that "yeah there's no trope until then" and that's fine. I personally feel like there's something there... but it's probably a completely different trope.

[up][up] Also I suppose I should acknowledge that I probably deserve to be told I'm just flat out "looking at things wrong" with how I had made this a personal level thing... I get what I've implied but I really don't wanna look like I've got some kind of bad attitude about all this.

If this is the direction people want to take things then it can be the direction it goes. I feel like something is being lost in the translation, but those things aren't necessarily of value. I just thought it was an angle that hadn't been considered... I'm perfectly fine if bringing it up doesn't change anything.

edited 14th Jul '13 9:30:25 PM by Azgrut

488 Madrugada14th Jul 2013 10:18:40 PM , Relationship Status: In season
The author may well be planning on using the trope, but it's not an example until the audience can see that the trope is being used.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
489 XFllo15th Jul 2013 05:35:44 PM from Moravia , Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Just checking: Are we moving to work on a new trope? Or are we finalising Mismatched Eyes? I've noticed they are still mentioned on trope lists. Should we remove the wick (or move it to discussion page) when it's not clear which of these newly-defined trope fits?
[up] We should definitely finishing cleaning wicks for Mismatched Eyes, before moving on. The clean up is about half-way done. If you come about an example you're not sure of just move it to the discussion.
Alright, the cleanups done. So, we can finally move on to another trope.
492 MacronNotes18th Jul 2013 11:21:07 AM from Pennsylvania , Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Butterfly Queen
According to the header post above, Windows to the Soul is the next trope that need to be worked on. It's description is pretty vague on what it's supposed to be about and it's name is really close to Windows of the Soul.

edited 18th Jul '13 12:02:44 PM by MacronNotes

And nearly all of it's examples fits under tropes we already have. Is their any point in keeping the page?
494 SeptimusHeap18th Jul 2013 12:11:49 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Ditch it and make a supertrope for it.
495 Willbyr18th Jul 2013 01:06:39 PM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Would it be worth whipping up a trope to go under the Mismatched Eyes list for when someone's eyes are mismatched because one was injured? I'm thinking specifically of Minmax from Goblins, Elgie from Chimneyspeak, and a version of Asuka Sohryu in a fanfic I really want to be updated.

edited 18th Jul '13 1:06:53 PM by Willbyr

496 MarqFJA18th Jul 2013 05:30:20 PM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Windows to the Soul seems to be about eye colors alluding to the character's elemental affinity and the like, which depends on the most common color associations of said elements. Personally, I don't see the need for making this solely about eyes. Costumes, hair color... Heck, even skin color could work!

edited 18th Jul '13 5:31:39 PM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
497 XFllo18th Jul 2013 05:38:20 PM from Moravia , Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
  • [up] I object to making it that broad supertrope. The phrase "a window to the soul" is specifically linked to one's eyes.

  • About Willbyr's idea ([up][up]) of another trope related to Mismatched Eyes: It sounds like a tropeworthy concept to me, though I have no examples myself.

edited 18th Jul '13 7:42:47 PM by XFllo

498 MarqFJA18th Jul 2013 07:15:40 PM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
I object to making it that broad supertrope. The phrase "a window to the soul" is specifically linked to one's eyes.
You are assuming that we're going to keep that name in the first place. It's already been noted that it's too close to Windows of the Soul, a wholly separate eye trope that's about reading emotions.

edited 18th Jul '13 7:15:58 PM by MarqFJA

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499 XFllo18th Jul 2013 07:41:15 PM from Moravia , Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
[up] I like the phrase and would like to see it as perhaps a supertrope to Eye Tropes in general.

The thing that we have Windows to the Soul and Windows of the Soul is very confusing. The names are too similar. IMHO we should have just one page and the second could be a redirect. If one of those is connected to reading emotions from eyes, I think it would deserve a clearer name.
Note: There is a new YKTTW connected to Mismatched Eyes; its working title is Mismatched Eyes of Madness. Link.

edited 18th Jul '13 7:44:03 PM by XFllo

500 Noaqiyeum18th Jul 2013 08:43:22 PM from out of the Silent Planet , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
[up][up] ...which is itself too narrow for its name.

edited 18th Jul '13 8:54:38 PM by Noaqiyeum

"Common sense" looks suspiciously like an unexamined protocol validated by an in-group.

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What would be the best way to fix the page?
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