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Should Nintendo develop for other platforms other than their own?:

Nintendo has always seemed like it has a sense of exclusivity(that is you play Nintendo games on Nintendo Consoles). It's certainly more pronounced than its competitors. While some people may change from nintendo consoles, it's clear their franchises still have lasting impact.

EDIT: Let me change around the question a bit; should Nintendo continue developing even after their consoles stop being successful(which I hope would be never)? It seems they've stated that they'll drop out of the gaming business if they can't keep making consoles. Certainly we can expand this discussion to other consoles and developers to be fair.

edited 2nd Dec '12 8:46:15 PM by blueflame724

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 2 burnpsy, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 12:59:15 PM from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Abstaining
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Should Microsoft make products for Mac?

Why should they do something to decrease the value of their own system?
 3 Elbruno, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 1:04:36 PM from South Spexico, North Antarctica (Chile) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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Besides that, you pretty much got it. They have their own consoles, there's no reason why they should risk themselves by making their exclusive IPs multiplatform.
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 4 Kostya, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 1:31:44 PM from Everywhere
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What would they get out of it? Multi-platform games sell more, true, but I doubt that would offset the cost of a bunch of people seeing no reason to continue buying Nintendo products. I mean let's take Pokemon. If they made the sixth gen for the Vita do you honestly expect the 3DS to do as well? What about Smash Brothers for the PS3? That would probably damage the Wii U severely.

Nintendo is still a business and they are being smart. Unless they drop out of the console race (which is unlikely at this point barring a major financial loss or a failed system) they would be much better off by keeping their games exclusive to their systems so even if the third parties utterly abandon them they still have something worth playing.

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No.

Thread over.

 6 Archereon, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 1:59:48 PM from Everywhere.
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Well, there are some products that might do better multiplatform, but for the most part Nintendo games are better off as nintendo exclusives.
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 7 Cassie, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 2:07:17 PM from Malaysia, but where?
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People, if there is one thing I can disagree with all of you is that Nintendo should continue doing what it does best: being exclusive.

This is NOT a great model of business whatsoever. All of Nintendo's franchises were designed to be a one-way investment street, in that other people should develop for them and their consoles, and not the other way around. And it is for this exact reason, Nintendo feels justified to waste resources in making multiple platforms just to be 'special' and 'exclusive'. Running out of new game ideas? No worries, just launch a new platform.

I definitely do not see WHY should this practice go unabated. They should make games for other machines to be fair and stop wasting the world's resources in making new platforms just to promote their aged and rather trite franchises. -> The only way to legally play a Nintendo game, is through a Nintendo platform. <- This should be changed.

edited 2nd Dec '12 2:09:06 PM by Cassie

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 8 Kostya, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 2:12:05 PM from Everywhere
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[up]How can you say this isn't a smart business model with a straight face? It sells their systems which makes them more money than if they just made games. Also I find it really bizarre that you think Nintendo needs to release them on other systems because not doing so is "unfair." Um, they own the system and the games so they can do whatever they want with them. If Sony and Microsoft were really upset they could just make their own exclusives and put them on their system. There is nothing stopping them and I'm sure their respective fans would love that.

edit: Okay you are not making any sense at all. Why should that be changed? Who does it hurt?

edited 2nd Dec '12 2:12:56 PM by Kostya

[up][up]I don't see how Nintendo's fairly consistent track-record of innovation can really be considered a bad thing, or a waste of resources (well, no more than any luxury along the lines of a games console could be considered a waste of resources).

edited 2nd Dec '12 2:15:29 PM by imadinosaur

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 10 Elbruno, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 2:16:14 PM from South Spexico, North Antarctica (Chile) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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-> The only way to legally play a Nintendo game, is through a Nintendo platform. <- This should be changed.

...What.

Seriously, you're saying it like Nintendo is the only company "greedy enough" to have exclusive IPs. I don't even want to get started on how wrong that statement is.

edited 2nd Dec '12 2:17:50 PM by Elbruno

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Nintendo is in the business of selling consoles, and one of the ways they do that is by making exclusives that people want to play. As long as they remain in the hardware business this isn't going to change.

edited 2nd Dec '12 2:29:51 PM by Talby

 12 Zeromaeus, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 2:28:02 PM from Neo Arcadia
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No. That's just bad business.
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 13 burnpsy, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 2:31:28 PM from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Abstaining
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Cassie, a question.

Do you know what "competition" means?
 14 Archereon, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 2:34:24 PM from Everywhere.
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Well, for a few of their franchises, particularly the ones that are more popular in the West than in the East, multiplatform releases MIGHT increase the overall revenue generated by said franchises, but it'd be hard to tell without actually trying it whether or not that'd make up for any lost console sales.
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 15 Kayeka, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 2:45:54 PM from Amsterdam Relationship Status: Brony
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Nintendo wants to sell consoles. In order to do that, they need exclusive titles. End of question.

I think that people that argue against this business practice don't really get how Nintendo and their competitors make money. Sure, selling many games really helps, but another big part of the cash comes from licensing, AKA having other developers pay you for letting them develop for their system. That's why they need to sell more systems, so that they will have a large userbase, and the console becomes more attractive to third parties.
 16 Cassie, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 2:47:55 PM from Malaysia, but where?
The armored raven
It's not a smart business model. It's MONOPOLATIVE business model. And I know what competition means for Nintendo games: as long as they're not making for their own machines, that means their games will immediately lose against others. It is this pampered nature of their games AND consoles that is so disgustingly apparent to me. Or maybe you don't mind because you HAVE the money to buy so much Nintendo platforms

To Elbruno: You think Sony and Microsoft have exclusives but dev teams can jump ship or drop out like Studio Liverpool. They aren't first party. Nintendo? First party, first party, first party.

edited 2nd Dec '12 2:51:36 PM by Cassie

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...unless Nintendo are practising slavery (and that would be bad), their developers are free to go work somewhere else too.

(For the record, the last Nintendo product I had was a Gameboy Color)

edited 2nd Dec '12 2:55:26 PM by imadinosaur

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[up][up]So what you're saying is that because they make new consoles, that it's a bad thing to put their games on their consoles? Or are you saying that they're making too many consoles? Because both don't really make sense from a business point of view. Also, it's not a Monopoly. A Monopoly, as is defined, is when a company owns so much market share that they can just charge whatever they feel like and they can get away with it because there aren't any notable competitors. Nintendo has to deal with Microsoft and Sony as legitimate competitors, so they can't charge what they feel like and get away with it.

Also, developers are hating the fact that we've stayed with the current console generation for so long, and actually want new consoles to come out to utilize the superior hardware. Like it or not, Sony and Microsoft are going to make new consoles as well.
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 19 Kuro Bara Hime, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 2:56:41 PM from Somewhere...I think Relationship Status: Mu
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How is "I don't want/have the money to buy Nintendo consoles" a reason why Nintendo should put their games on other consoles? That's your problem, not Nintendo's.

 20 Cassie, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 3:04:10 PM from Malaysia, but where?
The armored raven
No, you didn't get my point right, but I don't blame you. I suppose you don't sympathize with game makers, and just go along with the people behind the platforms instead. To me, having a new platform released is a multiway burden, on customers, makers and the ones selling / shipping them. How in our age and day can we AFFORD to have more sources of distraction, while job opportunities are at an all time low? This also makes game devs suffer more headaches should they want to make for the new platform, because it's cramming more programming language into the cranium time.

The problem with Nintendo is far worse however. You can ALWAYS see the franchises still standing there, like what would happen if Capcom has its own console and every exclusives it has is Street Fighter and others. For what reason should we keep on following Nintendo's footsteps, with our money? Sony and Microsoft's consoles could have a durable list of releases, if not for Nintendo running out of ideas for their OWN franchises. They just don't care and want people to cope with new ways to press new buttons, look at new screens, while all they do is just making physical excuses to cover their lack of competitive ability.

[up]The point is that Nintendo should stop being a pussy, not the other two stop staying alive.

[down]Just how new is it? I'm not going to buy it just for new Mario Metroid Zelda whatever. Just to entertain your strawman of me, I'm going for the record and state that ONE reason I don't keep with Nintendo is that I don't find their franchises that appealing to me.

edited 2nd Dec '12 3:07:24 PM by Cassie

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 21 Corr Terek, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 3:05:43 PM from The Bland Line
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Ah, okay. So what you're saying is "I can't afford the Wii U and that sucks." Gotcha.
 22 Deathonabun, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 3:10:38 PM from the bedroom
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Why, Cassie? Why? Why would Nintendo have any incentive to do such a thing?

Nintendo consoles basically print money, and part of the reason they sell so well is because people want those first party games. It would be just silly to go multiplatform with them.

They are a business. They're here to make money, not to help out the competition.
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 23 Cassie, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 3:12:10 PM from Malaysia, but where?
The armored raven
You're answering your own question while not attending to my point. How is that supposed to make me wrong?

If anything, you sound as if Nintendo is forever justified to do so, because they've been commiting to this practice long enough. IF, one day, they can and will sell their franchises on other companies' consoles, and can stand toe to toe, then my point is automatically disproven.

[down]Mind you, I'm keeping this thread's question in mind. About whether Nintendo should develop for other platforms other than their own. We've moved along since 80's, Atari and Nintendo to Nintendo to Sega to Sony and today.

edited 2nd Dec '12 3:16:30 PM by Cassie

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I'm sorry, I'm trying to parse that, and nothing is adding up there. Developers get jobs by working with a console developer or a publisher. Without Nintendo, that means less jobs to go around. Developers WANT to have more hardware to work with, and the Wii U helps provide that to them. There have been plenty of third-party games that have been released on the Wii beforehand. Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony aren't the only publishers out there. There's EA, Capcom, Activision, THQ, 2K Games, just to name a few. Just because they don't own consoles doesn't mean that they don't help small-time developers get the cash to make their games.

Really...I have no idea what you're trying to argue here. What you're trying to say is that developers should not get new hardware ever? If that were the case, we'd still be playing 8-bit games with minimal graphics and gameplay capabilities. I...am completely lost here.
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 25 Corr Terek, Sun, 2nd Dec '12 3:13:14 PM from The Bland Line
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[up][up]Well...they are justified in doing that. There's no legal, moral, financial, or ethical reason for them not to.

edited 2nd Dec '12 3:13:22 PM by CorrTerek

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