YKTTW Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched YKTTWs and pages:

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Prematurely launched pages, pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through YKTTW for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, no crosswicking etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages

edited 23rd Sep '13 11:41:28 AM by SeptimusHeap

2051 SeptimusHeap23rd Jul 2014 01:31:25 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Today's worklist, apart from the items handled above:
2052 desdendelle23rd Jul 2014 03:43:50 PM from an Orbiter , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Colder and Deadlier Than Space Itself
As per bitemytail's post in ATT:
Overly Stereotypical Disguise was prematurely launched from YKTTW with only 3 hats. It also hasn't been put on any indexes and still has some description issues.
Space Mom, how could you?!
2053 Candi23rd Jul 2014 06:47:32 PM from Closer to rimward than hubward , Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Sorcerer in training
Boot it back to YKTTW for work on the description at least.
Agreed, needs to go back to YKTTW for seasoning
2055 SeptimusHeap24th Jul 2014 01:45:28 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
OK, given the lack of commentary I'll count Civilization Of Omnidisciplinary Geniuses as done.

Also, after launching The Hypnotizers without indexing or crosswicking or YKTTW (the page doesn't seem that bad though so I'll let this slip), MeerkatMario has launched Faint Moment with the same problems and a so-so description.

Anyhow, worklist:
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
  • Magician's Academy: still unindexed and using the wrong naming convention for subpages.
  • Overly Stereotypical Disguise: Hats were pulled for having a poor description, and launched despite people asking for improvements. Also, the "played straight" and "subverted" seem to be a bit confused, which may depend on how important the word 'overly' is.
  • Ambiguously Christian: I'm not sure what to do with this right now
  • Civilization Of Omnidisciplinary Geniuses: Not really interested in this trope at the moment, but I can create a new draft for it and monitor activity.
  • Faint Moment: Bad on several levels. The biggest is PSOC-level description. It's only missing "characters fall asleep from exhaustion" (no, wait, that's there, too!) The odd thing is that ~MeerkatMario is also asking for help (in the editing notes). Have they seen YKTTW before?
  • The Hypnotizers: Name is so~so (I dislike "the" usually, and would probably ask for Hypnotist or Hypnotized Character). Some examples need more context. Given that they're asking for help on the editing page (for this one, too!), I'm inclined to believe they haven't seen YKTTW yet.
  • SelfDemonstrating.Invisibility: The page has been cut. We've already discussed that Whitetext won't work (because it's been deactivated for wiki) and commenting-out won't work (because people who aren't logged in shouldn't be able to read it. I'd like to put it back with the spoiler-tags. I know ~Madrugada said it won't work for users that are logged-in, but here's my counter-argument: With spoilers set to "off", you still see the dotted line surrounding the text. Just like classic Visible Invisibility techniques.
  • Strength Beyond Your Comprehension: Has a draft page now, so the original could be cut. ~Pasty Kake needs to keep an eye on their draft and respond to troper comments. [Wait- Maddie suspended them. do we leave it alone until after they talk?]
  • Commerce Pimp: If we're going to leave this one alone (which I can understand), it needs to be on more indexes.
  • Mid Air Refueling: Have you ported the page over to a draft yet?
  • The Forgery / Frauds And Foolies: Only you & I have commented on that. Is it okay to go ahead and do? I know you rarely get more than your own opinion.

edited 24th Jul '14 8:57:05 AM by crazysamaritan

2057 SeptimusHeap25th Jul 2014 02:55:41 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Today's worklist and replies to ^:

I'll see about messaging ~MeerkatMario about YKTTW, but given that they didn't respond to the Forum Post PM, I am not hopeful.

Unrelated to this, but I wonder what happened to Willbyr. They are usually one of the most constant posters on the forum.
2058 MarqFJA25th Jul 2014 04:00:56 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
One vision, one purpose
Willbyr's last post was just a couple of days ago.

@crazysamaritan, re Civilization Of Omnidisciplinary Geniuses: PM me when you do; I can help with the monitoring, at least.

edited 25th Jul '14 4:01:55 AM by MarqFJA

Where there is Distress, therein lies a Story. Where there is a Story, therein lies a Will. Where there is a Will, therein lies a Soul.
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
~Marq FJA, can you chime in with an opinion on Fakes, Frauds, and Foolies? If I have Rule of Three going for me, I'll revisit those tropes. I may or may not have a lot of time on my hands today. That'll determine how much I get done. I'll start with setting up the tropes we're kicking back to YKTTW.

Sept, I think I can find more of a trope in Emergency Refueling than Mid Air Refueling, and that'll be one of the ones I start. Check it out and see if you think that'll work.
2060 MarqFJA25th Jul 2014 07:43:08 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
One vision, one purpose
I would, but I can't find anything in YKTTW related to "Fakes, Frauds, and Foolies".
Where there is Distress, therein lies a Story. Where there is a Story, therein lies a Will. Where there is a Will, therein lies a Soul.
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
  • The Forgery / Frauds And Foolies: was originally a single ykttw. I ws asking if you could say if you also think they need polishing (I'm especially upset with Frauds and Foolies' name).

EDIT: I linked the TRS threads I had tried creating on page 81 of this thread. There's so many problems, I prefer to kick back to YKTTW and have someone who is obsessed with a character who uses those tropes sponsor them. I'm almost done posting the four drafts.

edited 25th Jul '14 11:08:15 AM by crazysamaritan

2062 MarqFJA25th Jul 2014 10:20:05 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
One vision, one purpose
I'd say that they do need polishing, if not re-YKTTW'ing.

EDIT: Well, it seems that we have at least 2-3 contributors other than us who support sending the trope(s) back to YKTTW, and none who oppose.

edited 25th Jul '14 11:15:14 AM by MarqFJA

Where there is Distress, therein lies a Story. Where there is a Story, therein lies a Will. Where there is a Will, therein lies a Soul.
The Cthulhu of Suburbia
The Devil Rides Out: Stub work page; creator messaged.
It's not really my page, I just moved it from a typo'd title.

I tried to add what I can based on the description and the excerpts found in Google Books, but I'm unfamiliar with the book.
2064 SeptimusHeap26th Jul 2014 03:20:35 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Today's worklist:

I see that Willbyr was apparently busy over the week in Real Life; let's hope that the Edit Requests backlog gets dealt with.
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
~mngamojemo has recently created Decker Shado, which looks like it is about YouTube personality. It needs moving the the correct Name Space, slight rewriting to read like it about the persona instead of the person, indexing, and Cross Wicking.

Sept, have you checked out the Emergency Refueling draft? I think that is more what Mid Air Refueling should've been. If it is, then I believe that page can be cut.
2066 SeptimusHeap27th Jul 2014 03:33:48 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
First off, regarding the ...Refueling thing, I am not sure if I can work on it at all, given all the other stuff (including in Real Life) I have to do.


Could we just... not have Death anymore?
You don't have to; I think that one will grow pretty well on it's own. The concept is clear, and stories use it several ways. I just didn't want to put Mid Air Refueling onto the Cut List until you had a chance to approve it.
2068 Madrugada27th Jul 2014 12:51:25 PM , Relationship Status: In season
Evil Genie Gambit has been cut. Also, the cutlist is clear to date.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
2069 SeptimusHeap28th Jul 2014 02:01:02 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Now that I look, where is the Emergency Refueling draft? Ambiguously Christian I am still inclined to cut.

Worklist, anyhow:
2070 StFan28th Jul 2014 02:47:58 AM from Cognac, France
I just wanted to bring attention to the Community.Dwarf Fortress subpage.

It's un-indexed, is the absolute sole use of this namespace on the whole wiki, and I have no real clue what it is about exactly, since it's seriously lacking in description.

All in all, I don't think it's a valid use of a subpage. If it's a work, it might need to be moved to the proper namespace.
2071 SeptimusHeap28th Jul 2014 04:46:36 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Community.Dwarf Fortress: I am not sure what that page is talking about - so I don't know what to do with it.

Also, ~St Fan, stub work pages aren't really worth namespacing. Especially not the new ones.

Two other pages, out of alphabetic order to allow for comments:
Note to moderators:

Even though I made this page (heresy?) I tried to be perfectly neutral (it was hard - I think I didn't succeed in doing so) so it wouldn't look like me hating this website. In reality it's the opposite of that.

I personally like this wiki and I still browse here quite a bit in my free time, although there could be ways to improve it. This tumblr shows way to do that - you may think about this as "General Suggestions" of sort.

It's probably going to get deleted and locked, so I wasn't really sure about actually submitting it. Although the site is on the negative side and it shows wrong decisions moderators may have made, it's one of the most efficient ways to learn from errors.

Random note of the day: releasing the source code of this Pm Wiki fork (like on Git Hub) could let others help the FE mantaining/fixing it. Like, different people submitting updates on Github and Fast Eddie reviewing them.

Also, my English is not perfect. Sorry. :/

It was posted by ~Nopled. While the page strikes me as not that bad (except for common beginner errors), given the This Troper precedent I am not sure if we want to have a page on that. Also, learning from errors is better done here than on some offsite channel.

edited 28th Jul '14 4:46:50 AM by SeptimusHeap

Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Pansexual: The current page is a definition, not a trope. We have this definition covered by Single-Target Sexuality.

Emergency Refuelling
@Septimus Heap on Mii:

It was on the Main/ namespace, and it sure doesn't belong there. Video Game/ seemed to be a better choice.
Please help out our The History Of Video Games page.
2074 Madrugada28th Jul 2014 10:41:21 AM , Relationship Status: In season
Pansexual is not the same as Single-Target Sexuality.

STS is "only sexually attracted to one person(being, entity, organism, whatever)" —- I am sexually attracted to Joe and only to Joe. No other males, and no females. If it's not Joe, I have no sexual interest in them.;

Pansexuality is "Has no gender or sexuality preference in the people (beings, entities, organisms, whatever) that they may find sexually attractive; whether they find someone sexually attractive is determined by aspects unrelated to their sex or gender."
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
I'm sorry if I erred in posting the page prematurely. I'm really new at this and didn't really understand what I was supposed to do. I went to the YKTTW link and saw the search box, tried every variant of what I was looking for and thought that was what I was supposed to do with YKTTW. I just kept seeing that trope in various works and since I couldn't find a page for it on the wiki I thought I'd make one. Again, I strongly apologize if I messed up, but frankly I'm really new to editing and figuring this stuff out on a wish and a prayer since I couldn't find a clear "how to" though that might have just been poor hunting on my part. Is there some tutorial or guideline link that someone could send my way? I'd be happy to work toward the Gay Percentage thing being done properly. I just felt strongly that it counted as a trope, and though I didn't have a long list of examples handy, I've seen it in many, many different works. In short... HELP! (and again, sorry (if) I messed up.

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