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YKTTW Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched YKTTWs and pages:

Prematurely launched pages, pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through YKTTW for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, no crosswicking etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages

edited 23rd Sep '13 11:41:28 AM by SeptimusHeap

Seeking for Light
Conceive and Kill is in TRS, which means it's out of this thread's jurisdiction. (Although, for the record, I don't support expanding Black Widow, because its current definition is what the term actually means.)

Re: Lightbulbs For A Face: This thread doesn't do renames, just "(back) to YKTTW" or "cut".

 152 Marq FJA, Sat, 9th Feb '13 2:01:13 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Re Lightbulbs For A Face: Sending back to YKTTW works as well. From the looks of it, some had noted that it Needs a Better Title during YKTTW stage, but s/he was ignored. As was the mod request for getting rid of or fleshing out the Zero Context Examples.

edited 9th Feb '13 2:05:09 PM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 153 StarSword, Sat, 9th Feb '13 8:26:18 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Cerberus Logic seems to have been launched before the YKTTW discussion on it was even completely sure what it meant.
  • Strike one: nonsensical name with horrific case of Trope-Namer Syndrome.
  • Strike two: no examples on trope page.
  • Strike three: zero hats.
 154 Nohbody, Sat, 9th Feb '13 8:34:19 PM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
It breaks the baseball analogy, but snowclones (in this case, of Cerebus Retcon and/or Cerebus Syndrome via misspelling of "Cerebus") are discouraged as well.

edited 9th Feb '13 8:35:31 PM by Nohbody

 155 tdgoodrich 1, Sat, 9th Feb '13 8:34:53 PM from Atlanta Relationship Status: Californicating
Same Kind Of Bad As Me
Send author a PM about procedure here, then torch it.
"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop

"I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
 156 StarSword, Sat, 9th Feb '13 8:51:57 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Cutlisted the page and PM'ed the OP, but I think the trope might be salvageable (near as I can tell, the intended meaning is "hero who only got involved because he was attacked personally" or something to that effect). Here's the YKTTW archive if you want to take a look.
 157 nrjxll, Sat, 9th Feb '13 8:58:22 PM Relationship Status: Not war
[up]Isn't that Heroic Neutral?

 158 shimaspawn, Sat, 9th Feb '13 11:34:16 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Nocturna, this thread does renames if they're done in YKTTW. When we send tropes back to YKTTW we are not required to keep the names they were mislaunched with.

Do not open new TRS to rename badly launched tropes. They're new enough that better names do not need their own thread. Please keep things here.

As such, I'm leaving Lightbulbs For A Face with you to handle.

edited 9th Feb '13 11:35:47 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 159 Marq FJA, Sun, 10th Feb '13 7:06:59 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Thank you for the clarification, shima. I apologize for opening that TRS unnecessarily, in any case.

edited 10th Feb '13 7:07:07 AM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 160 Septimus Heap, Sun, 10th Feb '13 7:15:09 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
I don't feel this needs an apology. TRS rules aren't codified anywhere for now, and the only attempt here hasn't had official approval yet.

Seeking for Light
Ah, okay. It's just that the TRS thread was already opened, so I assumed that meant it had moved out of this thread's proper authority. I'll keep that in mind for the future, though. (Also, to me at least, "rename (without return to YKTTW)" and "back to YKTTW (where it might get a rename as part of the further work on it)" are separate concepts.)

Anyone have any suggestions for a new name for Lightbulbs For A Face? I recall seeing Lightbulb Eyes proposed in either the YKTTW or the TRS thread.

 162 Marq FJA, Mon, 11th Feb '13 12:58:10 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
I'd suggest Glowing Eyes, Shadowed Face, personally.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 163 Larkmarn, Mon, 11th Feb '13 11:24:59 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
@Nohbody: Actually, it's not a snowclone. It's a reference to an organization called Cerberus from Mass Effect... although the guy who made the YKTTW doesn't even know that.

... it was a hilariously bad YKTTW.

 164 Septimus Heap, Mon, 11th Feb '13 1:26:29 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Blue-Collar Warlock. Just cutlisted, by the way.

 165 Fighteer, Mon, 11th Feb '13 2:18:20 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Army Of Lazy, by eulmanis12. I threw it in the trash heap.
Neoclassicism, AKA the Tinkerbell school of economics.
 166 Septimus Heap, Mon, 11th Feb '13 2:22:44 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
I think that is a trope, but it needs more examples and a description that doesn't talk so much about "This isn't that trope".

 167 Fighteer, Mon, 11th Feb '13 2:24:02 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
If someone wants to schlep it into YKTTW before it gets cut, be my guest.
Neoclassicism, AKA the Tinkerbell school of economics.
 168 Fighteer, Mon, 11th Feb '13 2:24:57 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Another one: Ishida Mitsunari. If this guy is actually a common character in period works, then he belongs in Useful Notes.
Neoclassicism, AKA the Tinkerbell school of economics.
 169 Septimus Heap, Mon, 11th Feb '13 2:26:19 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
That one looks like Useful Notes material to me.

 170 Fighteer, Tue, 12th Feb '13 7:06:42 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
What in the balls is Will Ross-Girard?
Neoclassicism, AKA the Tinkerbell school of economics.
 171 Nohbody, Tue, 12th Feb '13 7:08:01 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
Besides Cutlist fodder? tongue

Looks like a character sheet for someone who doesn't deserve one, at a glance. (Not familiar with Lovecraft's writings, so no comment on the accuracy of what's given.)

edited 12th Feb '13 7:10:49 AM by Nohbody

 172 Marq FJA, Tue, 12th Feb '13 7:15:45 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Just to be sure, we are allowed to cutlist Lightbulbs For A Face for re-YKTTWing, right?
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 173 Fighteer, Tue, 12th Feb '13 7:17:27 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Sure, do it.
Neoclassicism, AKA the Tinkerbell school of economics.
 174 Marq FJA, Tue, 12th Feb '13 8:09:53 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Done. Waiting for a Cut Master now.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 175 Shadow Hog, Tue, 12th Feb '13 1:16:40 PM from Earth Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
Avatar by Neoriceisgood
Re: Lightbulb Face: Also kind of annoyed that the guy never bothered to add my Loom example to the text, or offer an explanation as to why it wouldn't count. :S
Moon
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