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YKTTW Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched YKTTWs and pages:

Prematurely launched pages, pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through YKTTW for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, no crosswicking etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages

edited 23rd Sep '13 11:41:28 AM by SeptimusHeap

 651 Larkmarn, Thu, 22nd Aug '13 7:05:25 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
What should be done about Too Much Alike?

 652 Madrugada, Thu, 22nd Aug '13 8:09:18 AM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
The page is sound; the name needs to be better. I suppose we could simply vote on a new name here, or we could make a TRS thread for it when a slot opens up.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 653 Septimus Heap, Fri, 23rd Aug '13 12:59:13 AM from Valencia, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
I am fine with either approach. Still waiting for opinions on PLAN 8 and On The Grind.

 654 Nohbody, Fri, 23rd Aug '13 4:54:21 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
I don't see any problems with your suggestions for P8 or Grind.
 655 Septimus Heap, Fri, 23rd Aug '13 8:30:06 AM from Valencia, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Thanks.

Also, I've found this new work page, somewhat stubby: Hard Revenge Milly.

Also, someone ought to check out whether Militaries Are Useless fulfills our page creation standards.

eta: I've cleaned out On The Grind a bit and cutlisted PLAN 8.

edited 24th Aug '13 1:02:06 PM by SeptimusHeap

 656 videogmer 314, Sat, 24th Aug '13 8:43:24 PM from that one place Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
I just saw Godzilla Expy on the un-typed pages list. It's a two-line stub with poor formatting and redundancy with Rent-a-Zilla.

 657 Septimus Heap, Sun, 25th Aug '13 1:31:11 AM from Valencia, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Godzilla Expy ought to be a redirect to Rent-a-Zilla.

Technically, Rent-a-Zilla is "A work is not about Kaiju or other giant monsters, but throws them in anyway because of Rule Of Cool."

That isn't quite the same thing as an Expy of Godzilla, which could show up in a work that _is_ about Kaiju or other giant monsters.

What we should do is redefine Rent-a-Zilla to mean Godzilla Expy, because I suspect that is how people use it.

edited 25th Aug '13 7:08:13 AM by Catbert

 659 Nohbody, Sun, 25th Aug '13 9:32:23 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
Actually, RAZ examples (at least on the trope page itself) are mostly proper use as "Kaiju thrown in because it's awesome, reason be damned". Dunno about its use on works pages offhand, too lazy to follow the "Related to..." wicks. tongue

edited 25th Aug '13 9:32:57 AM by Nohbody

 660 Septimus Heap, Sun, 25th Aug '13 9:35:29 AM from Valencia, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Godzilla Expy will need a trip to YKTTW though. As-is it's just a stub that ought to go to the Cut List.

 661 videogmer 314, Sun, 25th Aug '13 9:37:05 AM from that one place Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
So, we should move Rent-a-Zilla's current definition to Instant Awesome Just Add Kaiju or something and redefine the former as an expy of Godzilla?

 662 Septimus Heap, Sun, 25th Aug '13 9:38:33 AM from Valencia, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Any change to Rent-a-Zilla will have to occur at TRS, considering that it isn't a new page.

 663 Nohbody, Sun, 25th Aug '13 9:39:51 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
RAZ may need a rename (I'm not sure), but let's not go for another snowclone if it's decided to rename the trope. While in that case it would be a reasonably accurate use of the "Instant Awesome" line of tropes, snowclones encourage other snowclones, more than a few of which are shoehorning.

As [up] notes, though, that's a TRS issue, not here.

edited 25th Aug '13 9:40:16 AM by Nohbody

 664 Larkmarn, Sun, 25th Aug '13 10:30:35 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Militaries Are Useless got launched with zero hats and lingering questions to its redundancy with Red Shirt Army.

As-is, it's just a complain-y version of Red Shirt Army.

 665 Madrugada, Sun, 25th Aug '13 11:29:17 AM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
I think there is a trope here, but it needs to be completely reworked. It seems like a sister trope to Adults Are Useless (in a show with kid or teen heroes, there are adults who should be able to take care of things, but the adults don't do anything effective; the kids have to solve the problem, catch the criminal, or stop the monster without them). This could even keep the name "The Military Is Useless" and be defined as "the military is called out but proves completely ineffective to deal with the threat, leaving the protagonists to save the town/stop the monster/win the battle..."
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 666 Septimus Heap, Sun, 25th Aug '13 11:31:35 AM from Valencia, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Red Shirt Army is for armies and troop-like items that are easily killed/disabled/whatever. It would be a subtrope of Militaries Are Useless.

 667 Larkmarn, Sun, 25th Aug '13 11:35:43 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
There's definitely something there, but it's a definite premature launch. And the examples are a just... well they need help.

It really needs to go back to be ironed out.

edited 25th Aug '13 2:36:39 PM by Larkmarn

 668 Septimus Heap, Tue, 27th Aug '13 12:03:41 PM from Valencia, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Are You Sure This Is For Kids was launched a short while ago with a dialogue trope name. Shall we take that to TRS for a rename?

 669 Madrugada, Tue, 27th Aug '13 12:18:46 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
I don't really see that we need it. It's simply going to muddy the waters even more between "show that isn't for kids that people assume is for kids" and "show that is for kids but adult fans claim isn't just a kid's show".
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 670 Septimus Heap, Tue, 27th Aug '13 12:33:20 PM from Valencia, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Hmm...quite a bit on the page overlaps with Parental Bonus, so... delete as a duplicate?

The Workhorse: was it prematurely launched or can it just be worked on from there?

 672 videogmer 314, Tue, 27th Aug '13 6:24:27 PM from that one place Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
It seems like Boring, but Practical as applied to vehicles, not to mention half the examples are from real life, three of which aren't vehicles.

I think it has potential, but it definitely needs work.

 674 Septimus Heap, Wed, 28th Aug '13 1:52:18 AM from Valencia, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
It needs crosswicking and media category fixing, first and foremost.

 675 Hodor, Wed, 28th Aug '13 7:35:58 AM from Westeros
Cleric of Banjo
Came across this trope called Manufacturing Victims, which was launched after only getting a single hat (and not much discussion).

It seems problematic as it takes its name from some work that is a tract against psychiatrists, and the description is written to seemingly endorse that book.
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