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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#5651: Jun 17th 2018 at 5:01:52 PM

Archnemesis Dad has to be the archnemesis to someone who's also his offspring. It's not complicated.

Is he Character A's Dad? Is he Character A's archnemesis? Then he's Character A's Archnemesis Dad.

edited 17th Jun '18 5:03:14 PM by HighCrate

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#5652: Jun 17th 2018 at 6:31:52 PM

I see, the laconic needs fixing then. Edit: Oh, [up] you already did it.

edited 17th Jun '18 6:32:43 PM by Twiddler

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#5653: Jun 17th 2018 at 9:20:55 PM

Word of Gay is when the confirmation comes from the creator directly, rather than through the work. If it hasn't been revealed in the story, it could fit.

For those Sleepless Domain examples mentioned before, I wouldn't count the first one, but the second is probably an example. The first is revealed in the story, and the example doesn't seem to have enough ambiguity to it. The second is straight up new information.

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#5654: Jun 18th 2018 at 7:34:39 AM

If a single character in a work is named after a character from Dante's Inferno, would that be Named After Somebody Famous or Shout-Out Theme Naming?

The character shares a similar narrative role to the Inferno character and the reference is Lampshaded; is that enough to be an Expy?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#5655: Jun 18th 2018 at 7:43:28 AM

I would say no to the theme naming for the simple reason that there's no theme. There's only one character and the trope specifies that authors "name entire groups of characters after characters in some other work of fiction."

edited 18th Jun '18 7:44:49 AM by sgamer82

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#5657: Jun 18th 2018 at 12:34:47 PM

I think it's just Shout-Out, unless they're In-Universe named after the work.

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#5658: Jun 18th 2018 at 9:08:18 PM

Every single example on TearJerker.Mario Kart seems highly dubious:

  • Several fans were sad when the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection was terminated, resulting in no more online play with DS and Wii.
    • Fans coming to the rescue turned this into a heartwarming moment when dedicated groups of people decided to launch their own homebrew servers to replace the phased out Wi-Fi. Here's one of them.
  • On a happier note, veteran players will tear up when playing N64 Rainbow Road in MK8. Hard to believe it's been eighteen years...
    • Some of us had not even been born by the time the first game had come out.
    • May also apply to Rainbow Road SNES in MK7, hearing old Rainbow Road riffs in newer/returning versions of the track, or even just revisiting other old favorites returning as retro tracks in the later games.
    • Most of the Rainbow Road music can make you shed tears of joy.
  • Losing a race, particularly in Grand Prix. This is especially saddening depending on how your character reacts to losing. Rosalina looks on the verge of tears herself, and a handful of the characters sob hysterically.
  • Deluxe's roster is made up of nearly every character from Wii, but then you realize three characters are missing: Birdo, Diddy Kong, and Funky Kong! Sure, Bowser Jr., Dry Bones, and King Boo all came back, but it's just not the same without the remaining three Wii veterans.
  • There's a decent amount of sympathy for anyone who bought a Wii U for the game, only for Nintendo to casually toss them aside in the name of business by releasing Deluxe, crushing many of those adoring fans' dreams by forcing them to buy the game again and lose all their original data, just to get the new content.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#5659: Jun 19th 2018 at 12:21:33 AM

Work (or service) ending is not a Tear Jerker. Remembering previous works isn't either.

What can happen during play is Troper Tales.

None of those are what actually happens in the game, that aren't potential player antics.

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#5660: Jun 19th 2018 at 6:19:24 AM

Also, now that I think about it, many of these are basically just sneaky complaining. May as well cutlist it.

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#5661: Jun 19th 2018 at 1:45:17 PM

From YMMV.Sister Claire:

  • Protection from Editors: Ash and Yamino are notoriously unable to handle criticisms of their writing. Their attitude has driven many a reader off the comic.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#5662: Jun 19th 2018 at 1:46:12 PM

[up] Immediate question, where are the editors they're protected from?

AegisP Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#5663: Jun 19th 2018 at 1:54:05 PM

Its a shameless complaint entry! Cut! Cut I say!

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Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#5664: Jun 19th 2018 at 2:38:36 PM

Protection from Editors says:

Web Comics and other online media have a special risk of suffering from this. On the Internet, one can gather a fanbase with no editor whatsoever, and if you start listening to that fanbase praising you unconditionally, you're just asking for trouble.

So, can the trope apply to webcomics and web originals, or is the trope page wrong?

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Lost in Space
#5665: Jun 19th 2018 at 2:56:19 PM

Online, self-published media like webcomics have no expectation that an editor will screen content. Thus, the trope is irrelevant.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#5666: Jun 19th 2018 at 3:06:18 PM

Should that part of the description be removed or changed, you think?

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#5667: Jun 19th 2018 at 6:15:00 PM

Calling someone Arms-Fall-Off-Boy when their arms fall off, would be that be a Shout-Out to DC Comics's Arm-Fall-Off-Boy? Especially if the person being referred to, is a girl?

Arms-Fall-Off-Boy is a rare phrase, but makes sense, if spontaneous?


Invoked Trope calls should be written full out, right? As Invoked is a disambig between that, and Intended Audience Reaction?

... There are a few conversions from In-Universe to Invoked Tropes by Bob Saget 9, that I'm not sure are right, like:

edited 20th Jun '18 7:50:11 AM by Malady

Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#5668: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:54:23 AM

Is In-Series Nickname only meant to apply to actual characters or can it be used for any nickname or colloquial term? I ask because I was going to expand the following example a bit more but was wondering if it was even an example as it is:

  • The Luther Pattern Excavation Automatanote are a common sight on Necromunda, and are often called 'Ambots' in the underhive vernacular due to their resemblance to the xenos creature known as Ambulls.

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Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#5669: Jun 21st 2018 at 7:40:33 AM

Reposting from the previous page, so it doesn't get lost:

Are the following examples from Unfriended: Dark Web being used correctly?:

  • Memetic Mutation:
    • Someone saying that the laptop in the movie was originally owned by Nevil from iCarly.
    • Matias resembling Zack Braff.
  • Narm:
    • KELLAIE!!!
      • The face that Matias makes here is just as hammy.
    • While it can be seen as a Tearjerker scene, the face that one of the main characters makes when they see their mother in the hospital, showing off their lower row of teeth and slightly shaking with her eyes half-closed, can be seen as this.
    • The description of the movie, describing Matias as a "20-something" might ruin the mood, or lack thereof.
    • The trailer's constant use of jumpscare noises.
    • Two sentences: "That looked way to real." "I think that is real."

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Lost in Space
#5670: Jun 21st 2018 at 7:42:34 AM

[up] Most of those examples lack sufficient context to determine if they qualify. Memetic Mutation must describe how the meme mutates, not merely recite a meme as if it's some kind of scoreboard. Of the Narm examples, only the one about the face the character makes in the hospital has enough detail for me to understand it.

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AdamElY from Westerville, Ohio Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Singularity
#5671: Jun 21st 2018 at 1:38:56 PM

Since Princess and the Frog starts off lighthearted and remains so until Dr. Facilier causes the Mood Whiplash by killing Ray the firefly and after Facilier’s death and Ray becomes a star and the movie turns back to lightheartedness, would you consider Facilier to be a Knight of Cerebus, especially when he planned to sacrifice the souls of everyone in New Orleans to his Friends on the Other Side, despite his hammy moments?

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Lost in Space
#5672: Jun 21st 2018 at 1:51:10 PM

Are you referring to the film version? If so, then no, because films are single units of continuity. There is no season(s)-long status quo for the appearance of a Knight of Cerebus to disrupt.

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AdamElY from Westerville, Ohio Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Singularity
#5673: Jun 21st 2018 at 1:55:46 PM

Precisely that Princess and the Frog is a movie. The Film section of Knight of Cerebus still needs a makeover. Does that mean the bear in Fox and the Hound and the Queen in Snow White are not Knights of Cerebus?

Adam El-Yousseph
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#5674: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:02:11 PM

Haven't we been over this already? More than once?

AdamElY from Westerville, Ohio Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Singularity
#5675: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:03:13 PM

sgamer 82, I was only asking and can you please be a little nicer about it?

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