Sonic Underground Getting Conclusion in Archie Comics

They were better character wise (I liked the goofy genius Rotor and the brattier Sally), but so ridiculously corny and dumb you couldn't really appreciate it. By the time they had put some palpable quality into it, they were already pretty bland. Then they just got more pretentious and 'grimdark' to make matters worse.

edited 12th Oct '12 7:27:02 PM by Psi001

Urgh.

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Next thing you know someone's going to get, like, Chaos Emerald cancer or something.

edited 12th Oct '12 7:29:54 PM by Pykrete

Didn't something like that actually happen to Locke in one of the alt continuity stories?

It's admitedly a big problem I have with the comics and a lot of other medias that try to make Sonic about completely unfitting 'grimdark' subjects that seemed ripped out of a manga or sci fi horror. There's only so much suspension of disbelief I can have concerning a cartoon hedgehog chasing a mad egg shaped scientist being dark and edgy.

edited 12th Oct '12 7:39:58 PM by Psi001

Something like that I believe

This topic is making me really want to start an internet review show focusing solely on Sonic comics, since Linkara refuses to touch them. I can handle the death threats I'd inevitably receive from barely literate 12-year-olds

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Really, the comics would have been fine if they had ended at Issue 50 with the Endgame finale, and then rebooted with games continuity instead of SATAM's.

I thought everyone hated the Endgame Arc. (I believe it was supposed to end there originally, though, and that Sally was supposed to be killed off for realsies.)

edited 12th Oct '12 7:48:03 PM by 0dd1

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I didn't care much about Sally, so that might be why i didn't have too much of an issue with it.

Anyway, I think after that it pretty much became a Franchise Zombie, other than the ocassional good issues (mostly specials) and bits ("Snoop PING AS usual!")

Endgame was definitely one of the first pretentious arcs in the comics, the story was ridiculously convoluted and Sally's death was completely anti climatic and lacking. A lame attempt at writing clever 'big boy stories'.

I might have cared for Sally in her earlier pompous Jerkass Woobie form, after that though she became a bland 'better half' for Sonic. Her mini series was rather dull since she had so few defining flaws and quirks she was a rather boring lead without Sonic to foil.

From what I know and have seen of Underground, Sonia is at least something of a better balanced version of Sally.

edited 12th Oct '12 7:58:43 PM by Psi001

I remember thinking I liked comic-book Antoine better than animated Antoine from what I saw of them. Antoine can be "funny", sure, but he shouldn't be such a dopey coward that you wonder why they ever take him anywhere.

The mid point comic Antoine was okay, since he had competence but still in a Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass sort of way and skewed by a lot of his ego. After that though he became drained of most of his personality outside a funny accent and spent most of his time in the background of battle scenes. I'll take even the Flanderized Straw Loser Ant of later Satam over that.

I do remember even in early comics he didn't seem quite as bad, if perhaps because most of the others were more on the same level as he was, rather than having a clear separation of lucid realistic characters and comical brainless ones like later on.

edited 12th Oct '12 8:49:44 PM by Psi001

I know in the earlier comics he played his dopiness for laughs sometimes, but it was more his angry streak that they seemed to emphasize at times.

I really do need to wonder what the hell they were thinking with that whole Patch arc later on, though. Maybe they were thinking of Patch and got it completely wrong.

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He still seemed incredibly egotistical and something of a Miles Gloriosus originally, not to same 'Surrender Monkey with no redeeming qualities' manner in Sat Am, just that he wasn't the super brave and stunning hero he thought he was and had more moderated moments of girl-shrieking cowardice. He also had a sword, which at least gave him sort of basic ability.

I think I may have drifted from the subject however. We were talking about this Underworld something or other?...

edited 12th Oct '12 9:50:33 PM by Psi001

No, you silly goose, it was Sonic Undergraduate.

It was bound to happen.

SONIC LE REBELLE!

Eh, I like the comics, excluding the Ken Penders era that is, hope that Flynn make a good final for Underground

as for Sally being roboticed, saw that coming, for some reason, since I watched SATAM on TV, it was a bile wish

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Even still, this isn't even the first time they've toyed with the idea of roboticizing her. Even in issue 25 (I think. It's around there) they did it, if I recall correctly—it just didn't stick. So really, they're just repeating old plot ideas. Just like comic book writers to do that.

edited 12th Oct '12 10:27:13 PM by 0dd1

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Or...y'know...1.

I dunno. I stopped reading a little before the Endgame arc came out, and every time I looked at the racks for the years after that it was like "WTF is this shit".

Oh my God, I just realized it's been almost 20 years since that comic started, and the bookstore I used to buy it at isn't open anymore. I feel old

edited 13th Oct '12 12:57:43 AM by Pykrete

You're lucky. I stopped reading right before the "backwards" issue came out.

Y'know, the one that GAVE HIS FUCKING CHANGE IN EYE-COLOR A RIDICULOUS AND POINTLESS ORIGIN STORY.

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I know, right? Would it have been so hard to say that his eyes were always green, but the iris color wasn't part of the art style before?

They didn't even need to say his eyes were always green. It would have been quite easy to just quietly draw the new thing and never actually mention it.

That's not getting started on all the explanations they had for Robotnik's redesigns... Even those mysterious British Sonic comics had Robotnik undergoing the transformation from his "Classic" look to the beloved "Pingas" design, but even they put a stopping point there, by putting Eggman's jacket on Aosth Robotnik in a later story and rightfully calling it a day. Archie did all of this robot transformation/recreation babble to explain why Julian Robotnik becomes the modern Eggman.

edited 13th Oct '12 1:41:30 AM by TailsDoll

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Well, making a big deal out of the costume change can be done well, or at least satisfyingly. Team Rocket comes to mind.

But yeah, in most cases it can be done more tastefully with "You know what? I need a fucking coat. Snively, get me a coat." I mean, it's Robotnik. He does weird whimsical jonesing, even in srs mode. Nobody would bat an eye at this.

Hell, if you wanted to make a whole comic out of it, just have him go coat shopping with weird shit happening the whole time. Like, the FF catch on to him doing something and collectively crap themselves going into full Defcon. Snively sees them ramp up and thinks they're attacking, and throws Robotropolis into Defcon. This whole drawn-out smackdown starts up with Robotnik wandering around his armories looking for a good coat, with explosions and stuff happening in the adjacent building. Eventually Robotnik walks out in the middle of it like "WTF are you doing, this is my day off. Does this coat make me look fatter? Also, get off my lawn." It's bound to be better than this overbearing melodrama.

edited 13th Oct '12 2:12:47 AM by Pykrete

I prefer to say that if I were in charge, I'd just have Robotnik and Eggman be two separate people. Surely one planet is big enough to have TWO evil fat guys with big mustaches and maniacal plans.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

The thing is they bothered to make canonical explanations for these changes to Sonic and Eggman, but didn't find it neccessary for anyone else. No one bothered to explain why Tails or Knuckles are lankier with a different eye color, or even why Sally now looks like a transexual version of Tails.

The only other one they bothered with is Amy, though the canonical explanation actually made her look like a total ass (steals and wastes a magical artifact that Elias wanted to use on his comatose mother). Even more ironic since due to the age differences and chronology of the comics, Amy would actually be her modern game age right now if they hadn't even bothered.

I'm curious as to how Sonia and Manic will turn out modernized however.

edited 13th Oct '12 7:58:21 AM by Psi001

Technically they covered that issue. No universe can have more than one Robotnik without something catastrophic happening. Something to do with cosmic balance. They also can't have NO Robotniks due to said issue. To fix this, they have the current Robotnik, who became Eggman.

edited 13th Oct '12 12:08:48 PM by nomuru2d

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