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The example sections are confused. For example "Internet" is about websites being promoted within movies/shows, but "Videogames" talks about Product Placement IN videogames.
No, the other one.I suppose the question is whether the trope concerns works that use Product Placement, or products that are placed in works. We should pick one and stick to it.
The problem I see is that folders aren't organized by media format the given trope appears in, like virtually any other trope page, but by what general product is being advertised in the first place. And, naturally, the folders with the broadest titles (i.e. "Anything and Everything") are significantly larger than any "variant" that's being specified. I just don't get why the products being advertised is given more focus than the works that are providing the examples. I'm assuming somebody wanted to make an attempt at having a Self-Demonstrating Article, but I especially do not appreciate how that plan was executed, especially if it means a largely different form of categorizing that we don't use anywhere else on the wiki.
edited 25th Oct '12 9:41:56 AM by SeanMurrayI
This should be given standard page organization by media that the trope occurs in.
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No, the other one.Actually, would recategorising to our usual standard require TRS?
edited 22nd Dec '12 6:47:21 PM by AnotherDuck
Dragon WriterNot necessarily. All it needs is sorting, then done, right?
No, the other one.Pretty much. I also wonder if we really need to separate it by straight examples and parodies as it is now. Especially as the examples don't follow that all the time anyway. In that case, just tossing the upper part down and using the upper examples header would work.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
No, the other one.I created Sandbox.Product Placement to help with sorting. While working on it, there will be three sections: Sorted, unsorted, and parodies. Work needed:
edited 25th Dec '12 8:54:32 AM by AnotherDuck
No, the other one.I've roughly sorted most things. By that I mean I've tossed the examples in the hopefully appropriate folders. There's still a page or two worth of examples I don't know where they fit, which would take some extensive research (i.e. taking a few seconds to check their pages), and lots of duplicates, since several series were in several categories before. I kept two categories: Mascot Games and Stadiums & Events. Those seem to work rather well as their own categories for this trope. The former is a type of game based entirely on this trope, and the second is a valid category that's pretty much never used in other trope pages. Now I'm going to take a break for one or a few days, depending on what extra time I have.
No, the other one.Did a bunch of cleaning and stuff. There's just three examples in the Unsorted category, which I renamed Other, as I have no idea what two of them are. The third is about This Very Wiki. I've sorted and cleaned all examples down to and including Film - Live Action. Some of them needed to be rewritten, but not nearly as many as I thought. Might be worse in other categories. Natter was worse, as was intendation issues. And if anyone's wondering, sorting is done to get rid of all duplicates, since those can be hard to spot in large categories like film and TV. Will probably continue in a bit. Edit: Now done to Live Action TV (which was on occasion pretty bad), which means the two largest categories are done. The biggest left now is Video Games. If anyone wants to namespace the page, it would be nice.
edited 27th Dec '12 1:17:55 PM by AnotherDuck
The Yakuza example in "Other" seems to refer to the video game of that name. The example below it is clearly Advertising. I moved them both. The whole "Mascot Games" section should be called "Advergames" and be a trope of its own. (After all, Everybody Owns A Ford and Everyone Owns A Mac already exist pretty much as subtropes of Product Placement.)
edited 27th Dec '12 6:09:37 PM by Prfnoff
No, the other one.Yeah, I was thinking whether or not to split them into a subtrope. Would that need YKTTW, or is it enough to just split it from here? Speaking of those other two subtropes, if a work uses them along with other product placements, would it be fine to move that to the subtrope, and possibly keep a reference to it, like, "Everyone in Heroes uses a Nissan, see Everybody Owns A Ford?
edited 27th Dec '12 10:59:18 PM by AnotherDuck
No, the other one.I'm wondering about the arena bit. Is that really Product Placement, or something else? There's no product, just an arena named by the owner. It's really no more Product Placement than regular advertising. It might be its own trope, though, though I wonder if it belongs on TV Tropes... I'm leaving that alone for now (and mascot games, for reasons stated above). Anyway, everything is sorted and cleaned now on Sandbox.Product Placement. Feel free to go over it and make sure it's kosher. What more can be done?
edited 4th Jan '13 5:46:07 PM by AnotherDuck
I'm wondering about the arena bit. Is that really Product Placement, or something else? There's no product, just an arena named by the owner. It's really no more Product Placement than regular advertising.Not really. Companies sponsor stadiums mostly to get mentioned, and have their logo appear, on TV (after all, sports are reality shows for people who don't like reality shows, as Professional Wrestling deftly exposes). It's not really much more effective as advertising than just having your company's name randomly dropped without any further context.
No, the other one.Do they account for some other trope, or can they just be deleted? Though if anyone really wants them they can remain in the sandbox while the rest is moved to the Product Placement page.
No, the other one.I've finished the job now, and Main.Product Placement is updated. If someone else wants to, you can move the mascot games to their own subtrope. Otherwise they're fine where they are, since this is still a proper trope for them. The stadium folder has been left out of the move, but remains in Sandbox.Product Placement until that gets deleted if someone wants to do anything about it.
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