the it-thingyI've had this on my to-do list for a while; and wow, is there a lot that needs to be done here. note This actually isn't just about Madness Tropes - there are a few other indices with a lot of redundant overlap between them. The main problems I've noticed:
edited 22nd Oct '12 5:16:37 PM by Noaqiyeum
My personal opinion has always been that any index with trope descriptions for everything (which, to my knowledge, is currently only Action Adventure Tropes) can have them stay, but they aren't really necessary. So half-hearted efforts like this can be axed pretty easily. I don't see what the problem of overly-broad indexes is supposed to be, though.
the it-thingyI don't think the broadness of the categories is the problem here. The lack of organisation (on Madness Tropes) and the lack of a clear definition (on Split Personality Tropes and possibly This Index Has Had A Hard Life), on the other hand, is. There's a lot of overlap and misuse between the three, and Split Personality Tropes and This Index Has Had A Hard Life have fewer than ten wicks apiece. I only really think the broadness of Madness Tropes is problematic because it's so huge that reorganising it will be highly non-trivial.
edited 26th Sep '12 9:21:46 PM by Noaqiyeum
the it-thingy...buuuuuuump? If no one else cares I guess I'll take it as carte blanche.
the it-thingySeriously, if I'm the only one who cares about these pages I'll clean it up myself in the manner of my choosing.
A Wizard boyFixed the tag. No wonder this didn't gain any interest. I think that it might be better to put each of these tropes into a TRS thread if their pages are the problem. Not sure about this page, though.
edited 12th Oct '12 6:21:26 AM by SeptimusHeap
the it-thingyWell, I thought combining them into a single thread made sense because what's done to fix each of them will most likely affect the others, and to keep threadspace open in TRS. I can create new conversations for Split Personality Tropes and This Index Has Had A Hard Life if you think that would be more productive, though. What about this page is it that you aren't sure of?
edited 13th Oct '12 2:44:48 PM by Noaqiyeum
the it-thingyI tried splitting off Split Personality Tropes, since the work there is to its own thread, but there are 382 threads open in this forum and a current cap of 100. I've created a sandbox page for each index and have been taking notes and experimenting with categories there: Split Personality Tropes,
edited 22nd Oct '12 5:17:59 PM by Noaqiyeum
the it-thingyI think I'm ready to launch Sandbox/This Index Has Had A Hard Life to its proper page. Any suggestions? Here's the current description.
An index about characters who have had a hard life, the things that happened to them, and how such things have affected and continue to affect them. See also Madness Tropes - a tragic past can lead to mental disorder, but not all characters who experience tragedy go mad, and not all madness is the result of a tragic past. The former goes here, but the latter does not.
ZzzzzzzzzzLooks good to me.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
the it-thingyAAAAAAAAH SOMEONE ELSE IS IN THE THREAD WITH ME Oh! Feedback! Yay! Okay, then, I've gone ahead and amended This Index Has Had A Hard Life accordingly. I'm still working on Sandbox/Split Personality Tropes and Sandbox/Madness Tropes - I have some provisional lists on both, but there are a lot of tropes I simply don't remember the meaning of, so I'm slowly working my way through and reviewing them.
the it-thingyOops... I left this for long enough that the sandbox pages were deleted. >_< Here's the progress I've made on Split Personality Tropes. There's absolutely no description, so no wonder there are so many things running together here. Here are the categories I can identify:
Split Personalities - A character's mind is composed of multiple fragments, which are nonetheless all part of the same person. In the aspects more similar to schizophrenia, one personality is in charge but hearing advice from the other(s); in the form closer to dissociative identity disorder, each personality becomes active or seizes control at intervals, usually in response to emotional state or external stimuli.
edited 23rd Jan '13 10:58:39 AM by Noaqiyeum
A Wizard boyOk, bumping this in hope I can help get this done. To address the OP's points:
the it-thingy[gasp] HELP!
A Wizard boyEh, my question about Madness Tropes was more along the lines of "What is your proposed fix?"
the it-thingyWell, I've been trying the reorganise the index into categories that are more meaningful, more manageable, and more clearly distinct from each other than those currently on the page. So far I have 'causes', 'conditions', 'symptoms', and 'remedies', as well as a list of 'character types' which overlap with the other categories and, as mentioned, could plausibly be its own sub-index.
A Wizard boyI am inclined to agree with the reorganization.
the it-thingyHere's as far as I've gotten with the reorganisation so far:
Characters Sane Characters Craziness by Career
Madness Tropes Causes - Tropes about the origins and instigations of mental disorder.
edited 23rd Jan '13 10:50:22 AM by Noaqiyeum
the it-thingy...bump? O crap I scared away Septimus
A Wizard boyYou want to soft-split this index, right?
Happy puppyI like the proposes soft split.
World's Toughest MilkmanSoft split is fine by me. Not sure exactly about the leftovers, but I don't think we need to be too strict. Worst case, we can simply have an other section. But "Settings" isn't a bad suggestion for some of them.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
the it-thingyOkay, that sounds reasonable. Anyone else?
the it-thingyOoooooookay, then... What do I do to soft-split the index, exactly?
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