Complaining: Idiot Plot get usage counts
Deadlock Clock: 17th Dec 2012 11:59:00 PM
edited 20th Sep '12 8:58:43 AM by Escher
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- Plot hinges on Alice being irrational: Idiot Ball
- Plot hinges on Alice and Bob being irrational: Not a trope at all, any existing examples of Idiot Plot on these lines are are misuse.
- Plot hinges on Alice, Bob, and Carl being irrational: Not a trope at all, any existing examples of Idiot Plot on these lines are are misuse.
- Plot hinges on Alice, Bob, Carl... and every other character all the way to Zachary being irrational: Idiot Plot
edited 21st Sep '12 9:36:30 AM by SeanMurrayI
- Idiot Ball: A singular moment of stupidity that causes unnecessary conflict.
- Idiot Plot: A cascade effect of stupid choices where the entire plot would be inert if someone behaved intelligently at key points.
edited 21st Sep '12 1:40:49 PM by SeanMurrayI
- If a character, who is not normally an idiot, does something idiotic because the plot requires it, that character has the Idiot Ball. Any number of characters may have the Idiot Ball at any given time. Characters can have the Idiot Ball for as little as one action, or as much as one Story Arc, but a character who is always an idiot is The Ditz or, if they're lucky, The Fool. A character who is normally not an idiot but does something idiotic for Watsonian reasons is also not suffering from the Idiot Ball (we have lots of other tropes for situational idiocy that might apply).
- The Idiot Plot requires that at least one character be an idiot for the entire course of the plot. Those characters don't necessarily have the Idiot Ball. Damon Knight's "second order idiot plot" occurs when you have an entire society who are idiots all the time — i.e. they are all The Ditz.
- In Brütal Legend, at one point Eddie decides, based solely on something the Big Bad (whom Eddie knows is a Manipulative Bastard) said, that Ophelia is not to be trusted, thus kicking off the second story arc within the game. That's Eddie carrying the Idiot Ball. It is not an Idiot Plot, because one can imagine several other ways to get the second story arc to happen without anyone having to do anything idiotic (suicidally overconfident, perhaps, but it's a World of Ham, so the writers could get away with that).
- Romeo and Juliet is an Idiot Plot, because both title characters constantly do idiotic things throughout the play, and the central tragedy could have been avoided if, at any point, either title character had just spent a little more time considering the consequences of their actions. However, they don't have the Idiot Ball, they have romantic impulsiveness as their Tragic Flaw. (This example should also demonstrate that even this trope is not necessarily bad.)
edited 4th Oct '12 3:17:50 PM by elwoz
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