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16 oz. Soda Ban Approved By NYC Board of Health:

 626 Drunk Girlfriend, Mon, 24th Sep '12 3:49:29 PM from Castle Geekhaven
[up] Well, they're somewhat of an exception. Standard size fast-food cups are usually Small = 16oz, Medium = 24oz, and Large = 32oz. Give or take.

When you order a meal, "medium" is the standard, but you can request a small cup and fries, or you can upsize to a large for a nominal fee. Children's meals come with the small cup and fries as the standard, but sometimes you can find "kiddie" sized cups that hold 8oz.

Edit: And yeah, if you go through the drive-through, the cups are mostly full of ice. However if you go in to order, they usually have you fill your own cup and have free refills.

edited 24th Sep '12 3:56:33 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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 627 Steven, Mon, 24th Sep '12 5:42:15 PM from MY PANTS Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
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Sometimes I take the leftover drink home to drink later on (from fast food places).
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 628 Joesolo, Mon, 24th Sep '12 6:21:49 PM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Anywhere with free refils make this pointless. Theres a place by me with free refills that still, for some reason, has a large and small. I've never seen anyone buy a large.

Also- why don't they just make 15.9oz cups?
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 629 drunkscriblerian, Mon, 24th Sep '12 6:38:19 PM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
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[up]dude, that's why every fast-food place has upsizing written into their standard sales pitch. Some people don't want to have to go back to the soda fountain for another drink, and are willing to pay for the convenience.

-shrug- I usually get the medium, because I'm a fast eater and am not going to be in the restaurant long enough to drink that much pop. Also, I would rather not drink that much pop. [lol]
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 630 Joesolo, Mon, 24th Sep '12 6:48:23 PM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
[up] I understand that in some places, but this is a place that lets you eat-in and are literally never more than 30ft from the fountain.
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 631 Pykrete, Mon, 24th Sep '12 6:51:39 PM from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Yeah, when I get anything larger than a small, I'm usually drinking it over like half the day, not in the one sitting at the restaurant.

edited 24th Sep '12 6:55:48 PM by Pykrete

 632 drunkscriblerian, Mon, 24th Sep '12 6:51:54 PM from Castle Geekhaven Relationship Status: In season
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Yeah, and people are sometimes really, really lazy.

Also, not everywhere posts their refill policy, leading some people to think that they can't get a free refill and thus they get the bigger size. In my cups I have long lobbied for the "North American Free Refill Zone". [lol]
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 633 Nohbody, Tue, 25th Sep '12 7:03:55 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
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Drunk Girlfriend: And yeah, if you go through the drive-through, the cups are mostly full of ice. However if you go in to order, they usually have you fill your own cup and have free refills.

While the default drive-through drink is mostly ice, there's a magic incantation to change this when ordering, consisting of the phrase "no ice in the drink". Et voila! No ice to displace actual beverage. tongue
 634 Morven, Tue, 25th Sep '12 9:30:14 AM from Seattle, WA, USA
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Most of the time they'll be responsive to requests to go light on the ice, too.

Since soda costs next to nothing at wholesale prices, I'm not sure why they bother doing this thing. Unless it's to try to get you to buy the bigger size. Drinks are one of the most profitable items in fast food.
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 635 Fighteer, Tue, 25th Sep '12 9:36:44 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
With french fries being the second. I can buy soda on sale for less than 25 cents per 12 oz can. If you assume that wholesale is uniformly cheaper than retail, then a "24 oz" drink that is half ice and sold for $1.50 is marked up more than 500%.

edited 25th Sep '12 12:50:43 PM by Fighteer

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Believe or not, the recent shitstorm regarding the disputed Packers-Seahawks sums up my feelings about the soda ban.

Paraphrasing a Packer fan here

Are the replacement refs a joke? Yes. Am I pissed about this? Yes. Do I want the real refs back? Yes. Did the refs steal the game from us? No. We gave the game away when we allowed our QB to be sacked 9 times in a single half of football. We gave the game away when we allowed Russell Wilson to heave a 41-yard pass to a wide-open Tate in the endzone. We gave it away when the offense couldn't put up a final strike after the defense forced a three-and-out. We gave it away by letting the Seahawks march all the way down field. We lost the game repeatedly, the refs simply made it official.
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 637 Fighteer, Tue, 25th Sep '12 2:01:12 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Hmm. Trying to make that analogy fit, the soda ban is annoying but we made ourselves fat?
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Lol. Not quite. Big Fast Food is actively working against people's health (or at least, they don't much care). Similarly, the NFL is working against teams by allowing this replacement refs to ruin calls.

But, if Green Bay had played competently, you can make a strong case that they might've won that game, quite in spite of the refs. Similarly, there are things people can do to remain healthy, quite in spite of the advertising and marketing ploys by Big Fast Food.
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 639 Fighteer, Tue, 25th Sep '12 2:15:13 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Agreed. But that doesn't make the marketing ploys less of a problem.
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Quite true indeed. I still am firmly in the camp of "Don't fuck with my personal liberty" but, I've long held that something needs to happen in education.

These discussions, as usual, have made me more closely examine this issue, and that's why I say that while I still cannot brook the ban, I'd support a tax on larger sodas provided the revenue went toward offsetting the costs of healthier options.
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 641 Fighteer, Tue, 25th Sep '12 2:27:15 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
I've already stated my opinion, which is that the regulation needs to target serving sizes and added sugar/fat/salt in general, not just these piecemeal laws. However, the piecemeal laws in question are a start in that they draw national attention to the issue in ways that more academic discussions simply cannot.

My ideal approach, as a reminder:
  • Set federal standards for serving sizes across all food types.
  • Set federal limits on added sugar/fat/salt per serving.
  • Ban individually wrapped/labeled packages that are larger than a single serving.

The latter rule would exempt "bulk" packaging which is clearly labeled and sold as such — for example, nobody expects to drink a 2-liter of soda in a single serving, or eat an entire cake or pie. But if you buy a chilled soda from a cooler or fountain, it could only be sold in "single serving" sizes. Likewise, a prepackaged pastry or a loose donut could not exceed a certain maximum size, although a box of pastries/donuts could have multiple individual servings.

edited 25th Sep '12 2:30:42 PM by Fighteer

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 642 Tuefel Hunden IV, Tue, 25th Sep '12 5:21:36 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Look it is a lot more complex then just serving size. There are multiple parts to the obesity problem. Everything from serving size, what we actually eat and drink, amount of daily exercise, and even a strong possibility that antibiotic content in food we eat is a contributing factor. Simply banning or regulating serving sizes is still a drop in the bucket.

I would be impressed if Bloomberg had an actual publicized plan of action that was more involved. Banning sugary drinks over 16 oz is going to do diddly squat. People are still going to over indulge in sodas. Crowing it is fighting obesity is disengenious to the issue at large. This looks and sounds like a typical move to look like he is doing something useful about the issue.

You want to fight obesity. Get people healthier food in general. Healthy food is on average more expensive then most of the stuff that is bad for you. I am not talking just fast food I am talking about what you can buy at a grocery in general.

Next get people up and off their asses and moving around and exercising at least 30 minutes a day. Even modest amounts of exercise does wonders for weight control and general health.

Look into various food additives like excessive amounts of high fructose corn syrup for example and other high sugar content foods. Hell if you start examining food labels even meat for HFCS content you would be shocked how much of our food contains the crap.

There are some studies that suggest HFCS is another contributing factor to the obesity epidemic for how regular consumption affects peoples diets. Kinda hard to eat it in moderation when damn near everything can have it in it.

Even the U.S. military has some concerns about the obesity epidemic for a good reason.

Something in general needs to be done but the soda ban in NYC is just political showmanship nothing more. It's usefulness is severly limited.
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 644 Steven, Wed, 26th Sep '12 7:31:27 AM from MY PANTS Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The guy who face palms
Tuefel got it and that is one of the reasons why people are up in arms on the large soda ban. It's just a band aid solution at best and it won't stop people from drinking as much soda as they want. There's a jillion ways that people can get fat and soda is just ONE of the many.
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 645 Pykrete, Wed, 26th Sep '12 11:44:03 PM from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Since soda costs next to nothing at wholesale prices, I'm not sure why they bother doing [excessive ice]. Unless it's to try to get you to buy the bigger size. Drinks are one of the most profitable items in fast food.

ding ding

edited 26th Sep '12 11:44:17 PM by Pykrete

 646 Caissas Death Angel, Mon, 11th Mar '13 6:00:13 PM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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The day before this law was due to take effect, a judge has blocked it.

He's said it's "arbitrary and capricious" though Mayor Bloomberg is far from happy and will be appealing.
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 647 Mark Von Lewis, Mon, 11th Mar '13 6:51:23 PM from Somewhere in Time Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Thank god. This law was just retarded.
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[up] Fucking A. 'Bout time Emperor Bloomberg got the hint that this town isn't his private fiefdom, much as he'd like it to be.
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 649 Fighteer, Mon, 11th Mar '13 8:37:11 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
The logic behind the ban is sound, it's just that the ban itself came across as ridiculously heavy handed and inept.
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I'm glad it got blocked. Unhealthy or no, a mayor (or even a President) doesn't have the right to tell me that I can't have a 32oz. soda. Besides all the talk about cost (which is a legitimate issue) consider for an instant something far more important when choosing a meal: taste. I don't like salad. I'll take it before my steak but there's no way I'm going to eat a bunch of soggy, wilted leaves for lunch. I want the biggest, baddest, nastiest cheeseburger you can get me and a 32oz. Coke to wash it down. I don't really care that it's cheap; I care that it tastes good and fills me up for the rest of the day.

I happen to like eating at Taco Bell or McDonald's.

And, for what it's worth, for all mayor Bloomberg knows I exercise thrice daily and am in peak physical condition. Banning me from having a ridiculously big drink accomplishes what, exactly?
 
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