Fixing titular mentions:

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51 ShadowHog4th Nov 2012 10:24:40 PM from Earth , Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
I'm gonna have to agree that saying the character's name so shortly after the work bearing the same name is rather redundant.

Not like there aren't other ways of getting around that, though. "In Tropey McTrope, the title character yada yada yada..." "Tropes O'Troupe does blabbity blah bleh blebbity bloo in the work bearing his name..."
52 Xtifr4th Nov 2012 10:31:56 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
No it doesn't. Titular is simple and clear (though I nearly agree about eponymous). Anyway, it's possible to be breezy without limiting yourself to sounding dumb as a post. I prefer the Sophisticated as Hell approach myself when it comes to writing examples.

eta: Oh, and @45: Language Log is not just some obscure site for PhDs. It's been promoted on xkcd as the third most addictive site on the Internet, after Wikipedia and TV Tropes, and is regularly linked from It's entertaining and widely read by people a lot more intelligent than the mouth-breathers over at Something Awful. And it's about language, which is a topic that should concern everyone on this site. But you can prefer the sites you prefer, if you prefer. :)

edited 4th Nov '12 10:42:13 PM by Xtifr

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53 Deboss10th Nov 2012 05:23:34 PM from Awesomeville Texas
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I've always heard was used to avoid repetition in written words. You don't hear it verbally because people talk differently than they write, and it's purely style. Also, I don't think it's a very difficult word since it's very close to title, and I'm usually not one to overestimate the vocabulary of the general public.
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Okay, since those two words are off the table, we still need to come up with an alternative word or phrase, since using a proper name twice in the same sentence (even if it's technically the name of a work versus a name of a character) is still bad form.

Or, to demonstrate (using Naruto as an example):

  • In Naruto, Naruto did X. Bad.
  • In Naruto, this happened to Naruto, because X. Slightly better, but also bad.

And so on. So, thoughts?
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Dragon Writer
For those two I would be tempted to write out his full name (Naruto Uzumaki). That, and the fact that his name isn't italicized, helps distinguish which is which.
It still feels awkward to read. Something like "in the Harry Potter novels, Harry James Potter is", and so on have this messy repetition. "In the work bearing his name" doesn't sound any better, especially since it's even longer.

edited 13th Nov '12 11:16:53 PM by ThatHuman

In uffish thought
I know we're not meant to pothole the work title in the character's name, but for Harry Potter, Naruto, etc. I generally write "Harry Potter has green eyes" or similar.
I thought we weren't allowed to do stuff like that, or something along the lines of "this happened to Angel on a Tuesday morning". [1]
Chaotic Greedy
Yeah, I remember reading a ruling that when talking about characters, we must say "Bob from Bob Quest blahablahblah" rather than "Bob blahablahblah".

(stupid lousy goddamn fake blue links)

edited 14th Nov '12 7:28:28 AM by Medinoc

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60 ShadowHog14th Nov 2012 09:29:53 AM from Earth , Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
There's still "the title character".
61 Xtifr14th Nov 2012 05:55:09 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
You can still use titular; you just need to use bracket-equal markup to prevent it from being invisible. If it fits and works and flows, I have no hesitation using it, although I do try not to overuse it (and this dates back before the silly ban).
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62 Deboss14th Nov 2012 06:19:59 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Yeah, there's a "no hiding the work name" rule in effect.
Not a bug!
[up][up] I will point out that doing so is a runaround of policy, and will probably earn you an edit ban faster than you can say "the Eddie of Fastness".
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64 Xtifr14th Nov 2012 07:14:01 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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I've made no secret of my preference for using markup to expose titular since the very first (now deleted) thread about it. If it were a bannable offense, I would have long since been banned for it.

Also, I think it may be misstating to call it a "policy". Eddie wants less formal writing, and somehow imagines that hiding this word will magically cause that, but I haven't seen any demands that we stop using it. Or even eponymous, which is one where Eddie and I both agree that it should be avoided.

edited 14th Nov '12 7:16:07 PM by Xtifr

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Dragon Writer
In some cases it is more or less redundant, or at least unimportant to the context it appears in. For example, I took one usage off of the Skylanders page, which previously said:

Our Giants Are Bigger: The titular feature of Giants.

But you can't just remove the word, because then you end up with "the new feature of Giants" (as if there's only one new feature and doesn't need any disambiguation. Because like most sequels, there are several new features and this one just happens to be, pun intended, the biggest).

I can also agree that it makes sense to use it in cases where you might otherwise end up repeating the given name in close proximity (as with the Naruto example).

edited 14th Nov '12 8:45:07 PM by Stratadrake

Terracotta Soldier Man
Since we're apparently avoiding Greek and Latin terms for sounding too high-falutin', I'm going to suggest "work-yclept" as a good, solid, Anglo-Saxon alternative.
Dragon Writer
Uh, sure. Go right ahead.
68 bwburke9427th Nov 2012 11:09:08 PM from Massachusetts , Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Bumbleby is canon, dammit.
Even I, an aspie, understand that the last two posts were sarcastic.

I have done a bit of removal of the T-word over the past few months, but there is no way to mass-check for uses of it like there is for wicks. Google isn't accurate because the use of the word may have already been removed.
Back to the understatements, eventually. I got a new computer, but it's having connection problems right now.
69 AlexSora891st Jan 2013 02:43:01 PM from Piedmont, Italy
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Dropping in to state my opinion on the matter, I hope nobody minds me.

What got my eyes rolling in disbelief when this decision had been made is that it wasn't thought through in the first place. However, now we're here, so all I can do for now is addressing - among the high amount of sentences that can't possibly make sense - the kind of phrase that, somehow, got me worried the most: the Character Title examples. The word "titular" is essential when addressing an eponymous character as such. Compare this:

Example: "The titular Ace Ventura..."


Example: "The Ace Ventura..."

"The" before a name, barring exceptions, doesn't really make sense. As long as we've got that covered, the rest of the now-nonsensical sentences shouldn't be as urgent to deal with.
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70 Xtifr2nd Jan 2013 03:42:04 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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It seems to be moot. The ban appears to have been lifted. Note that people should still feel free to clean up actual misuse of the word, or even, if they're so inclined, gratuitous overuse. But nobody should feel compelled to scrub every instance from the wiki. It's a perfectly acceptable, commonplace* word, and most examples are using it correctly.

* Heck, I saw it on the TV guide channel the other day, a place that's definitely targeted at a lowest common denominator. :)
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