Munchhausen is the guy who flew on cannonballs and pulled himself out of the swamp by his bootstraps. I think he's mostly known for his wildly exaggerated tales, but how does that relate to the trope at hand?
Wait, come to think of it, how is this different from Engineered Heroics? Both involve making up a dangerous situation in order to impress people, whether it's for fame or to get the girl shouldn't make a difference.
(edit) okay, so the difference is supposed to be that in Engineered Heroics there's no real danger, and for this trope there is. The problems with that are that (1) it's The Same but More, and (2) the examples don't bear it out.
Munchausen as in Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy, which also involves endangering the lives and health of others for attention. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchausen%27s_syndrome_by_proxy
The difference is that in Engineered Heroics it is usually done with the consent of the other involved parties. Everyone except the people to be impressed is in on it. In this, not only is the danger real, the victim never consented to be involved, and it's usually perpetrated only by the individual with Hero Syndrome (using the medical term here). One is a big act where no-one is supposed to get hurt. The other is real, invariably a crime, and it doesn't matter if people get hurt as long as the person perpetrating it gets his saving-people high.
Münchausen syndrome is a medical term used to describe a person who constantly pretends to be sick to get attention. It and The Munchausen are named after Baron Münchhausen who has a reputation for telling tall tales.
Yes, it's preexisting, but it means something else. The term means "person pretends to be sick for attention", whereas these two tropes are "person creates a dangerous situation so that he can save people from it.
Furthermore, "Munchhausen syndrome by proxy" is highly technical jargon, as the article linked above states, the proper term is "factitious disorder by proxy" or "fabricated or induced illness by carers". So it's a bad name, for several reasons.
No. Exaggerating or making up a disease of someone in your care so that they become dependent on you (MSBP) is not the same thing as setting up an accident or dangerous situation for anyone, in your care or not, so that you get lauded as a hero (these two tropes).
They're both about pretending that someone else is in danger, without regard for their safety, for the sake of attention and personal gratification. I really don't see how they're different enough for it to be a bad name.
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Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy is a separate, distinct thing from regular Munchausen Syndrome. Think of them as "sister disorders" in same way two things can be Sister Tropes, even though the names suggest a parent/child trope relationship between the two.
Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy always endangers/potentially endangers another person for the gratification of the person with it. The only difference is that in this trope it's the role the person is taking in relation to their victim. They're the doctor/hero instead of the mother/caretaker.
I'm not too happy with "Firebug Fireman" because "firebug" also means numerous other things beside arsonist (it's a real insect, and a debugging tool, and a futuristic racing game). So I think that Arsonist Fireman would be a clearer title.
What if we changed the perspective on this, and looked at the event, rather than the character? Granted, we should not ignore the real life problem, and a link to a description of that illness (or a decent write-up as the only real life example) should be included.
But what if we changed the definition and name to revolve around the manufactured accident? Created Disaster, or Saving The Victims Of My Traps. It wouldn't be a character trope anymore, but turning the focus to the event rather than the person might make it easier to remember.
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Alternative Titles: Hero Syndrome Runoff
25th Aug '13 7:06:01 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
Choosing a new title for Hero Syndrome. As this is a runoff, please do not downvote an option unless you definitely are against it.