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Duplicate Trope (new crowner): Hero Syndrome get usage counts

This one should probably be merged with Engineered Heroics, since they're more or less the same thing. Furthermore, the title for this trope is misleading because it can easily be mistaken for Chronic Hero Syndrome.
 2 Star Valkyrie, Wed, 29th Aug '12 5:08:48 PM Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
It looks like they're subtly different but I agree about the snowclone problem. Hero Syndrome is for "Angels of Death" (like firemen who start fires so they can then put them out and get the praise for it) in fiction - the situation is very real and very dangerous. Engineered Heroics is for characters who set up a one-off fake event that they can put a stop to when the designated love interest looks their way - like asking your best mate to pretend to rob her so you can jump in and chase him off.

edited 29th Aug '12 5:10:05 PM by StarValkyrie

 3 Another Duck, Thu, 30th Aug '12 1:45:24 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
[up]I agree with that distinction. One situation is just an act, while the other is a real one where the criminal and "hero" is the same character.
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I make the distinction between this and Chronic Hero Syndrome clear in the description; I called it Hero Syndrome because that is what it is called in Real Life.

And if I may say, looking at the respective histories, it seems that my trope came first (if, weirdly, by only about a week or two).

edited 5th Oct '12 10:33:46 AM by masamune1

Even if the distinction between this and Chronic Hero Syndrome is clear in the description, one of them should have a new name. Hero Syndrome and Chronic Hero Syndrome sound like the exact same thing.

 6 Nman, Sat, 27th Oct '12 1:07:35 PM from USA Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
[up]Well, Chronic Hero Syndrome has over 800 wicks, and Hero Syndrome has less than 40, so I know which one would be easier to rename....
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Chronic Hero Syndrome has over 800 wicks and over 1000 inbounds. It also has a redirect at Hero Complex, which can only be adding to the confusion. Hero Syndrome has 37 wicks and 21 inbounds. If Hero Syndrome is the older trope, then I can't ask for more conclusive evidence that the name is not working. No matter whether or not it's used outside the wiki (the one detail that gives me any pause).
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.

Well, it IS the correct IRL term for the phenomenon, but the wikipedia page for the IRL phenomenon is shorter than my thumb if you exclude the references, and I have unusually short fingers. This is a very uncommon, under-researched, and under-known phenomenon, and I don't think it's reasonable to measure it directly against Chronic Hero Syndrome, which is much more common.

I do agree, though, that this trope could use a rename to avoid confusion. Manufactured Hero or Munchausen's Heroics, maybe? Munchausen's by proxy is, I believe, a much better-known phenomenon, and it's quite similar in terms of the perpetrator's goal of creating a crisis/endangering others to get attention.

edited 27th Oct '12 8:32:44 PM by Pig_catapult

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I think Playing The Hero might work. It sounds like he doesn't really mean it.

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Playing The Hero doesn't sound anywhere near sinister enough. This is really a villainous trope, and we may want the name to reflect that somehow.

The most common version could be called Firebug Fireman, but that's probably too narrow.

edited 28th Oct '12 11:15:09 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 11 lu 127, Mon, 10th Dec '12 4:07:51 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
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Destructive Fake Hero? Should we have a crowner to make sure this should really be renamed? I mean, I'm convinced, but others might not be.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 13 nrjxll, Mon, 10th Dec '12 8:45:51 PM Relationship Status: Not war
Is the name actually being confused for Chronic Hero Syndrome? Because that's what I see a rename fixing - I'm not so sure about the underuse.

edited 10th Dec '12 8:46:03 PM by nrjxll

 14 Septimus Heap, Tue, 11th Dec '12 12:49:11 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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This seems to be a good example of the X Syndrome snowclone - i.e of a bad one. That said, I don't know of any better name.

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[up]Hero Syndrome is an established off-wiki term (it has a Wikipedia page), so it's not a snowclone.

That said, I think it's far too similar to Chronic Hero Syndrome for us to retain both.
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[up]Established, but obscure. Firebug Fireman gives way more ghits on examples of this trope than anything else I've been able to come up with. (I think it should at least be a redirect, since it's the standard version both in fiction and real life.)
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
So, I think we have consensus to rename? Suggested names so far are, in order of suggestion: <-Got a crowner

edited 26th Jan '13 2:48:58 PM by Pig_catapult

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 18 Septimus Heap, Sun, 27th Jan '13 9:32:53 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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We have several other options, so we ought to have a Page Action crowner first.

 19 lu 127, Sun, 27th Jan '13 9:33:50 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
You need a single proposition before the titles.
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I personally think Firebug Fireman is the best suggestion because from what I can tell it's a common iteration of the trope, even though the trope as a whole is much broader. For the same reason Let's Meet the Meat works for food examples that aren't meat; the title gets the idea across even though an overly literal interpretation makes it sound narrower than it actually is.
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 21 Macron Notes, Sun, 17th Mar '13 12:42:50 PM from Pennsylvania Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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Since, no one actually made a single prop crowner... here it is.
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 22 montmorencey, Sun, 17th Mar '13 6:08:21 PM from the quaint town of Grimm, Bismarck and Gauss
I actually looked for this trope at Lost and Found about half a year back and I asked about a Fireman Firebug almost literally. Never got a response that I know of.
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 23 lu 127, Mon, 18th Mar '13 12:18:40 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Crowner's hooked.
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This one just came up in lost and found again, which reminded me that we have a crowner pending (link in post #21).
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 25 Noaqiyeum, Sun, 21st Apr '13 4:04:20 PM from across the gulf of space Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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Heh - we could call it Munchausen Hero Syndrome. That would make the connection to Munchausen Syndrome explicit, retain the pre-existing term, clear up confusion with Chronic Hero Syndrome, not be as limiting as Firebug Fireman, and avoid the confusion with The Munchausen that Munchausen Heroics could lead to.

edited 21st Apr '13 4:07:15 PM by Noaqiyeum


Alternative Titles: Hero Syndrome Runoff
25th Aug '13 7:06:01 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
At issue:
Choosing a new title for Hero Syndrome. As this is a runoff, please do not downvote an option unless you definitely are against it.
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