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Needs Help: There Are No Therapists get usage counts

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[up][up]We already established that if therapists exist in-universe, it's not There Are No Therapists.
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 77 Septimus Heap, Sat, 18th May '13 2:29:56 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Anything else here?

 78 Septimus Heap, Mon, 20th May '13 8:06:47 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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OK, since there doesn't seem to be anything amiss except for that YKTTW, I'll ask here whether we want to do that YKTTW, since this question is holding up the thread.

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I think it should be done, but I'm personally pretty fail at doing YKTT Ws.
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 80 Septimus Heap, Mon, 20th May '13 2:38:31 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I personally would be inclined to close this and leave the YKTTW question over to anyone who's interested.

 81 Septimus Heap, Tue, 28th May '13 11:32:42 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Any arguments against ^?

Reading this thread, I remember watching Iron Man 2. Due to suicide prevention training, I immediately keyed in on the fact that the writers included many of the signs a person preparing to commit suicide perform.

He started giving away his possessions to friends and charity.
  • collections to the Boy Scouts
  • Stark Enterprises to his girlfriend
  • an Iron Man suit to his best friend
He behaved more recklessly (given, he already did live dangerously, his friends didn't notice the increase)
  • driving a race car without proper lessons
  • getting drunk in a weapons system
He was quiet and withdrawn.
  • Several scenes that initially looked like he was trying to talk about his feelings to Pepper actually were about his attempt to tell her what was happening to him

The movie did not lampshade the lack of therapists, but the signs of a mental illness was present. Including the evidence of suicide preperation, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, or Schizophrenia should make a work qualify for the trope.
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 83 Septimus Heap, Tue, 28th May '13 11:40:31 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Qualify for which trope?

There Are No Therapists.

Since I saw it still isn't listed on Tropes In Aggregate, I wanted to argue against "lampshaded, discussed, conversed examples only." I do think it is a good index to be on, but if a character can be shown to suffer from signs and symptoms of psychological trouble, it still counts unless a therapist is suggested.

Therapist Are Useless is something I might be able to YKTTW later today.
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 85 Septimus Heap, Wed, 29th May '13 10:15:16 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Given that it ended up being badly misused when it had straight examples, I do not agree with not limiting it.

There weren't any limitations on the straight examples, either. Therapists teach, "Not every person experiences the same aftermath to the same trauma.", while the trope listed examples of characters who had suffered trauma, NOT characters who showed the signs/symptoms of trauma.

But sometimes writers are good enough to include those signs in the character, even if they don't want to diffuse drama by introducing a therapist.

edited 29th May '13 11:17:14 AM by crazysamaritan

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So that's an example of Character Exhibits Signs Of Trauma. That has nothing to do with the absence of therapists in fiction. In fact, I'm sure there are perfectly good examples of characters' exhibiting signs of trauma that end with their seeing a therapist.

Good point. OK, I concede.
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Re: your Iron Man example: Wasn't he dying from a seemingly incurable ailment in that movie? That's naturally gonna replicate a lot of the same behavior as a suicidal person, and there's no point getting therapy for it since, hey, gonna die soon anyway, so what's the point?

edited 30th May '13 12:43:01 AM by RavenWilder

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The point is no one identified his behavior as unusual. People do see therapists when they're going to die. It helps to approach death calmly, instead of risking your life unnecessarily. If he had been seeing a therapist, they might've been able to help Tony give away his things intelligently, instead of emotionally, since the BSA really can't use an art collection, and Pepper couldn't handle being CEO of Stark Enterprises.
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The only thing left for this trope is putting it on Tropes In Aggregate, right?

I made the only objection, and withdrew it.
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 92 Septimus Heap, Tue, 11th Jun '13 10:01:20 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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So no YKTTW. I added it to the index, cleaned out a few more bad examples and watchlisted it to keep it further clean.

edited 11th Jun '13 10:01:57 AM by SeptimusHeap

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