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51 nrjxll27th Jan 2013 04:01:56 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
That's quite the fallacious comparison.
Okay, so perhaps I should say:

Why is the lack of therapists in any given story more more important than the lack of dental hygienists?
53 nrjxll27th Jan 2013 05:42:07 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
Because the number of stories where dental hygienists would make sense to appear were this real life is much, much smaller.

To put it another way, see King Zeal's comments in post 28 about how not all plot contrivances are created equal. The absence of dental hygienists is not going to be noticeable in most stories, but the absence of therapists is.
If you can find sufficient examples where characters complain about their bad teeth and nobody considers they could go see a dentist (in a setting in which dentistry obviously should exist), that would be a trope, too. But when it comes to dental care, the trope is usually "it's expensive" rather than "it doesn't exist."
Raven Wilder
Thing is, what sort/amount of emotional trauma requires a therapist is very subjective. In Real Life, plenty of people with emotional issues never even consider seeing a therapist, not because therapists don't exist, but because they just don't see it as necessary.
"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
[up]Exactly. At best, this is a YMMV Audience Reaction of "Dude, that guy needs help!"

Things failing to happen in a story that a reader thinks should have happened are not a trope. Just a difference in opinion between the writer and the reader as to what is relevant or appropriate for a given story.

Also, I've seen far tpo many stories that do include therapists in one way or another to think that this is necessary the norm in in story telling.

Creators mention therapists when they feel like it and don't when they don't, but there is no pattern, story telling device or convention saying that therapists are taboo.

edited 13th Feb '13 6:23:34 PM by Catbert

57 nrjxll10th Feb 2013 04:20:32 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
[up]I disagree.
58 SeptimusHeap11th Feb 2013 01:59:20 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
This trope falls under the canopy of Tropes In Aggregate. That's what I get from the description.

One of the ways to fix such tropes is to make them lampshade, discussed, conversed examples only.

edited 11th Feb '13 2:00:23 AM by SeptimusHeap

Yeah, we could definitely solve this by limiting it to lampshading / discussion. But do we have many examples of that?

Catbert is spot on. Many, many works involve therapy. We have therapy tropes. Other works don't involve therapy. If we list every "notable" absence of therapy, we aren't listing examples of a trope - we're just having fun describing all the trauma some characters experience.
60 StarValkyrie20th Feb 2013 04:10:36 PM , Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Yeah, I can definitely see it working as Tropes In Aggregate. That would solve a lot of recurring misuse problems without eliminating a page for a trend people notice a lot. There are several examples of lampshaded/discussed there already. So do we need a crowner on that? And what would we need to do to make this change, aside from removing all the examples? In terms of the description and any indexing or notes? Do we clean the wicks to only lampshaded and discussed to?

edited 20th Feb '13 4:11:48 PM by StarValkyrie

61 SeptimusHeap15th Apr 2013 11:45:02 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
Reactivating this. There are enough lampshaded examples for this trope to be converted to that.

We'll need some more consensus on "Tropes In Aggregate", tho.
62 Pig_catapult15th Apr 2013 04:03:20 PM , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Piffy
[tup]Tropes In Aggregate distinction, but we'd also have to make it for Social Services Does Not Exist for consistency's sake. Not sure how much that complicates things.

E: We also still need a Therapists Are Useless trope.

edited 15th Apr '13 4:07:04 PM by Pig_catapult

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Raven Wilder
Giving my approval to Tropes In Aggregate.
"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
Tropes In Aggregate, meaning we only list lampshades etc? I approve.
65 SeptimusHeap17th Apr 2013 07:39:35 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
This is 4 votes in favour of Tropes In Aggregate so far. Any more?
Sharknado Warning
I approve
67 SeptimusHeap19th Apr 2013 01:57:28 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
Assuming there are no objections, I'll probably do this over the weekend.
68 SeptimusHeap21st Apr 2013 02:00:00 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
OK, barring some last minute objections I'll do the change soon.
69 Pig_catapult21st Apr 2013 10:32:06 AM , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Piffy
Will that be including YKTTW-ing Therapists Are Useless?

edited 21st Apr '13 10:32:15 AM by Pig_catapult

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70 SeptimusHeap21st Apr 2013 10:34:43 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
Is that part of this repair (repair, not repair thread)?
71 Pig_catapult21st Apr 2013 10:36:08 AM , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Piffy
A large portion of the misuse was for Therapists Are Useless, IIRC.

edited 21st Apr '13 10:37:16 AM by Pig_catapult

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72 SeptimusHeap21st Apr 2013 10:38:59 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
I'll see for that once I have cut the other misuse and redefined the page.
73 SeptimusHeap24th Apr 2013 08:57:24 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
Executed the cleanout. Anything missing?
Should there be something that says that although therapists exist in-universe, the cast don't have to see one at all?
75 SeptimusHeap25th Apr 2013 03:16:31 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
Perhaps.

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