Snowclone: No Campaign For The Wicked

This name is from No Delays for the Wicked, but these tropes are not related at all.

edited 24th Aug '12 1:11:35 PM by spacemarine50

Actually, I'd imagine they're both from the famous phrase "No rest for the wicked", from the Book of Isaiah, verses 48:22 and 57:20-21. It's not an exact quote, depending on the translation, but it's not like that matters.

A snowclone alone is not a reason to rename. We advise careful use of snowclones in titles because they may suggest a connection that isn't there (doesn't apply here, it's from a pre-existing phrase), or the resulting phrase is opaque on its own merits, or sometimes the trope seems to have been made mostly for the title.

Seeing as that's out of the way, are we done here?

'Cause I think we're done here.

I know what the quote this got snowcloned out of means, and is still unrelated to the trope. There's also this thread on a related trope: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1345748288024180100&page=1#7

edited 24th Aug '12 6:34:55 PM by spacemarine50

I know I'm Tempting Fate here, but the only other name for this trope would be Youre Not Allowed To Play As The Bad Guy. Because that's what this Trope is.

Also, No Delays for the Wicked itself is a Renamed Trope. EDIT: The first edit for "Campaign" was 6 August 10. The first for "Delays" was 13 August 10. It's hard to tell which is the "snowclone" and which, if any, is the "original".

edited 24th Aug '12 8:40:16 PM by DonaldthePotholer

As Shadow said, both tropes were named after a quote that isn't on thus wiki. EDIT: Goes to The Insomniac. So this is a snowclone of a snowclone of a redirect of an entirely unrelated trope. Who did that? Also the name of a work.

Your name is good, but should be shortened. Or flip it and go You Must Be The Good Guy. Fridge Logic says that what if the protagonist is an Anti-Hero or the evil side, i.e. the Nazis?

Edit: turns out that No Rest For The Wicked is either the redirect above, or a webcomic, depending on how it's done. Neither is the source where both names are snowcloned from.

edit 2: I think this trope is suffering from Trope Decay, esp. if the intended definition is "you can't play as the villain".

edited 24th Aug '12 11:20:18 PM by spacemarine50

Sorry for double-posting:

The OP: It Got Worse. Updated list:

• Snowclone of No Rest For The Wicked, but linking makes that iffy to meaningless
• Trope Decay
• Formatting of the examples

If you want to show there's decay/misuse, you need to do a wick check. SQRT(#wicks) or 50, whichever is larger. Otherwise we have nothing to discuss.

(I've seen this one here and there around the wiki, and haven't noticed any particular misuse.)

This isn't the trope for "You can't play as the bad guys." This is the trope for "The single-player campaign mode is just for the good guys." Oftentimes you can play as the bad guys in multiplayer or other non-campaign modes, but the campaign mode locks you into the "good" faction.

Now I'm not even sure what the definition is, so wick-checking is not a good idea. Description is no help. Also, how does Rooting for the Empire fit into this? Might end up that if you have to unlock the evil side, or the result of a somewhat untruthful trailer.

I think should be restricted to games that let you play as other factions in other modes. Otherwise, almost all games are examples. I might as well edit in that Metroid doesn't let you play as a metroid.

edited 28th Aug '12 10:43:38 PM by AceOfSevens

I think we need a crowner to define it clearly.

If this must be renamed, I suggest Villains Get No Story Mode for a new name.

Name is fine as-is. It's descriptive of what the trope should be, and being a snowclone is not sufficient reason in and of itself to rename.

That said, I'm in full agreement with .

EDIT: Ye gods, I need to start paying attention to post dates...

edited 28th Sep '12 2:49:55 PM by Specialist290

the definition is pretty clear. I don't see how getting a crowner would make it clearer. And anyone has yet to show any misuse.

Yeah. The only problem here is the snowclone name, which is otherwise fine. I don't think this needs any action.

It has 102 wicks and 39 inbounds. That's a bit low.

Uhh, have you read the previous posts? They disagree on the definition.

Have they even read it? Or did they just look at the title, maybe read the first line. Or going from memory. Wouldn't be the first time this happened.

edited 28th Sep '12 5:41:01 PM by Ghilz

Speaking of people who didn't read: This isn't a Snowclone. It's the Original (As far as titles in the wiki go, not counting the biblical line that inspired both). No Delays for the Wicked IS the snowclone. Checking the discussion pages for the YKTTW archive shows it.

The YKTTW for No Campaign for the Wicked is dated 2007-08-17. It was launched under this title.

The YKTTW for No Delays for the Wicked (which had no title) is from 2007-08-27. It was launched as "The Trains Run on Time" and later renamed to the current snowclone title.

edited 28th Sep '12 5:50:12 PM by Ghilz

I don't see the problem. The name is clear, the description is clear, and there's no proven misuse.

Both are snowclones of the phrase "No rest for the wicked," which originates in the book of Isaiah and I believe came into its current form with the King James Bible.

I have to agree with Another Duck here. And this "snowclone" argument reminds me why I just don't care about unsupported "snowclone; it's bad, period" arguments.

Related thread to this: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13458672490A21403400&page=1#8 It's not a snowclone of No Delays for the Wicked, but not The Insomniac, which you'll end up with trying No Rest For The Wicked (that wasn't right).

edited 30th Sep '12 1:50:33 AM by spacemarine50