Misused: Ascended Meme

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[up] I'll get it tomorrow.

EDIT: Here it is!

edited 14th Nov '12 4:18:49 PM by BlueGuy

Alright, now I've launched it under Meme Acknowledgment. Anything else?

Personally, I'd like to rename this trope Canonized Meme.
[up]That's not a good name considering that many of the memes originated from canon material. And its name would conflict with Ascended Fanon.
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[up] Hmm... you're right. I can't really think of anything else. Any other suggestions?
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31 Noaqiyeum28th Dec 2012 05:04:21 PM from other worlds and realms of being , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
Formalised Meme, Officialised Meme... the current name...
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32 BlueGuyMobile29th Dec 2012 02:45:56 PM from Wherever this phone is
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33 SeptimusHeap29th Dec 2012 02:54:40 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
So do we want to rename this? I am not sure we need this.
34 Noaqiyeum29th Dec 2012 04:49:38 PM from other worlds and realms of being , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
Well, me neither. The point about similarity to Ascended Fanon was good.
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35 Ookamikun29th Dec 2012 05:56:11 PM from the lupine den
Wolves, wolves, wolves!
What is the issue at hand then? I thought it's just solidifying the trope description and examples?
Lone wolf? Hah! "Lone" wolves die out of hunger and loneliness. The wolf needs the pack, and the pack needs the wolf.
There is misuse, the biggest one being that it is treated as a generic "memetic shout out" and another, more internal to this discussion, about the degree it needs to be referenced to count ie a convention presentation. Some believe it is the result of a bad name and needs to be renamed. There hasn't been a crowner to gauge opinion, basically it would be for either rename, clarify the definition or clean up (if they are even then we do them all).

edited 30th Dec '12 2:16:26 AM by KJMackley

37 AlexSora893rd Jan 2013 09:01:04 AM from Piedmont, Italy
Myself, as drawn by me.
As with any "misuse" on the site, I find myself having a hard time seeing any actual misuse at all ("titular", we hardly knew ye). A simple cleanup should wipe these supposed cases of misuse off the site. As far as I know:
* Ascended Meme: a trope about a work either referencing one of the memes about said work, or even promoting it as one of its elements.

And I have yet to see an example that doesn't match this definition.

But, as some troper's forum signature wisely says, "I'm on the Internet; my arguments are invalid", so feel free to tell me I'm wrong (and, most importantly, why I'm wrong).
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38 Noaqiyeum3rd Jan 2013 09:52:34 AM from other worlds and realms of being , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
There are a number of examples that involve the creators of works expressing awareness of the memes that have sprung up around their works, outside of those works. (Referring to it in interviews, &c.)
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Check out the Ascended Meme examples on The Office (US) page. I was close to removing them but decided not just to use it as an example.
40 Ookamikun7th Jan 2013 04:55:42 AM from the lupine den
Wolves, wolves, wolves!
[up][up][up]I already stated some examples - out of my head: a voice actor doing a voice work in a con of a particularly memetic phrase (see: Garland knocking people down) is NOT an example of the trope, as well as the "I'm Batman!" one.

edited 7th Jan '13 4:56:58 AM by Ookamikun

Lone wolf? Hah! "Lone" wolves die out of hunger and loneliness. The wolf needs the pack, and the pack needs the wolf.
41 SeptimusHeap19th Jan 2013 05:10:21 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
So the problem here is that this is getting misused as a Shout-Out to memes that have nothing to do with the work.
^ Basically, yeah. If it was only the parameters of what counts as being referred to by the original source I don't think it would have been such a big deal.
43 SeptimusHeap20th Jan 2013 01:41:18 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Do we have a wick check at hand here? I do not feel that the name is ambiguous enough to cause this effect.
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