Misused: Ascended Meme get usage counts
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Wolves, wolves, wolves!
Some of the examples aren't really an Ascended Meme.

Examples:
  • Gundam
    • Another Char related one, the character has an Expy in every Gundam series, and they have been referred to be fans as "Char Clones". The Gaia Gear novels, and later Gundam Unicorn, featured a character who was literally a clone of Char.
(this contradicts the idea that Char Clone is a trope - if it's a trope, then technically it's not a meme)

  • The first episode of Pokémon: Black and White takes two memes at once: Trip takes Snivy (Smugleaf) over Oshawott (Wotter), the least-liked of all the starters. Oshawott is very hurt and surprised to learn this.
(this doesn't really make it an ascended meme as it is more of a typical scene of The Rival picking a strong looking Pokemon)

  • Batman The Brave And The Bold features someone having done a Grand Theft Me on Batman walking around going "I'm Batman."
(this isn't really an ascended meme as it is more of a catchphrase)

Also entries like having a voice actor voicing a line in a panel isn't really an ascended meme since it doesn't really appear in the medium.

Seems like people confuse certain coincidences as ascension of memes.
Lone wolf? Hah! "Lone" wolves die out of hunger and loneliness. The wolf needs the pack, and the pack needs the wolf.
Why do you say that "technically it's not a meme" if we call it a trope?
Wolves, wolves, wolves!
[up]Because it implies that it's some form of archetype.
Lone wolf? Hah! "Lone" wolves die out of hunger and loneliness. The wolf needs the pack, and the pack needs the wolf.
[up]Which doesn't mean its name isn't a meme.
Wolves, wolves, wolves!
[up]Oh I know there are tropes that are in essence memes, but this one in particular is also a character archetype. Unless of course you imply it is just a meme (to which I agree, there really is no character archetype that is a "Char Clone" outside of Gundam - most are just nitpicking and some are just physical attributes).
Lone wolf? Hah! "Lone" wolves die out of hunger and loneliness. The wolf needs the pack, and the pack needs the wolf.
6 nrjxll13th Aug 2012 02:35:19 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
I'm inclined to think that every meme trope - not just Memetic Mutation - should require some form of citation.
I'd say the Gundam example is a of Stealth Pun rather than an Ascended Meme.
Wolves, wolves, wolves!
[up][up]Exactly.

Actual ascended meme examples are like Futurama where they did reference the Fry face. Some feel more like it's limited to fansubs which IMO shouldn't count.
Lone wolf? Hah! "Lone" wolves die out of hunger and loneliness. The wolf needs the pack, and the pack needs the wolf.
Wolves, wolves, wolves!
Bump.

At least, we should agree on posts like "we have this voice actor voicing a memetic/famous dialog in a panel/interview" not a meme.
Lone wolf? Hah! "Lone" wolves die out of hunger and loneliness. The wolf needs the pack, and the pack needs the wolf.
10 AnotherDuck22nd Aug 2012 03:18:18 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
[up]That I can agree on. Someone doing it outside the series doesn't mean it's canon, and thus not ascended.
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I'm going to bump this, I think the main problem is that the purpose of the trope is "a gag in the fandom gets acknowledged in the source" hence the connection with Ascended Fanboy. The trope is instead often being used for a generic "Memetic Shout-Out" where it doesn't matter where the meme came from.

And in truth I don't see too much of a difference between a gag being referenced in the original show and a comic-con panel that has the actors re-enacting the meme. It may not be in the original show but it is still being acknowledged by the people involved with it.
Weren't we renaming this "Canonized Meme"? What happened?
13 BlueGuy24th Sep 2012 08:13:38 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
zzz...
[up] I dunno.

And bump.
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That Batman: The Brave and the Bold example can't count as "ascended". It's referencing something that originated from the source material, not an internet meme. Even if said aspect of the source material has become a meme.

edited 25th Sep '12 7:41:08 AM by ThatHuman

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15 BlueGuy29th Oct 2012 07:33:46 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
zzz...
Bump. I removed the three examples the OP mentioned.

Should we remove the convention-related ones as well?
16 AnotherDuck30th Oct 2012 01:59:13 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
I say yes. Those only show creators and actors aware of the memes, not that they actually ascend into canon.
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17 BlueGuy7th Nov 2012 02:50:51 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
[up][up]Maybe that deserves it's own trope then? Maybe "Aware Of The Meme"

edited 7th Nov '12 8:29:55 PM by shoboni

"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
19 BlueGuy8th Nov 2012 03:35:11 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
zzz...
[up] "Creator Meme Awareness"?

And it should probably be Trivia, as it's mostly outside the show itself. This would most likely require this trope to be renamed to Canonized Meme to reduce confusion.
[up]Sounds good to me.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
21 TropeEater10th Nov 2012 02:59:52 PM from the depths of Hell
That One Troper
Laconic: "A Memetic Mutation that appears in the source material it was spawned from."

changed to:

"A Memetic Mutation that is acknowledged and referenced by the work it was spawned from."

How is that? The first was pretty vague, I mean, if a meme is spawned from a work, it could be a phrase that was used in the work and then parroted online as a meme. e.g. "All your base are belong to us." That would be a Memetic Mutation that appeared in the source material it was spawned from, but it definitely wouldn't be an example.

edited 10th Nov '12 3:03:37 PM by TropeEater

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22 BlueGuy11th Nov 2012 01:56:38 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
zzz...
Well, I've decided to speed things up a little - namely by sorting examples into a sandbox page for Creator Meme Awareness and deleting those that don't fit into that or Ascended Meme.

EDIT: Finally finished sorting. There weren't too many misused ones, but eh.

edited 11th Nov '12 2:43:20 PM by BlueGuy

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24 BlueGuy12th Nov 2012 02:17:34 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas , Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
zzz...
[up] You're welcome. grin
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