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Complaining: Internet Backdraft get usage counts

 26 Septimus Heap, Mon, 13th Aug '12 12:36:51 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
[up]No. The trope is about the negative reaction from the 'Net, not an argument on the 'Net.

I thought we had a Trope Repair about this before and people said no Examplesectomy.
 
 28 Septimus Heap, Mon, 13th Aug '12 12:31:30 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Yes. It was almost a year ago, though. Sidenote: Madrugada's post almost made me explode into laughter.

edited 13th Aug '12 12:34:46 PM by SeptimusHeap

 29 nrjxll, Mon, 13th Aug '12 12:39:53 PM Relationship Status: Not war
[up][up]Actually, the thread died without consensus.

As the troper who created that original thread, I support the Example Sectionectomy here. I agree with what other tropes have said in this thead, that catologuing internet arguments feels off-mission for this site and serves as a way to import drama. I feel like tropers use this page and other similar pages to vent their frustrations over getting in internet arguments, which is not something this site should be used for. As for the in-universe examples, I guess we should keep them, though there can't be very many of them.

edited 13th Aug '12 1:03:45 PM by djbj

World's Toughest Milkman
[up]Well, we're up to three in-universe examples, and I'm only halfway through the examples. Which reminds me, I should probably (*sigh*) get back to searching through the bile for the rare gems. I may have to charge TV Tropes time-and-a-half for this work! [lol]

eta: ok, done, zero new in-universe examples to report. I had high hopes for the video game section, since there are so many gamer webcomics out there, but nobody bothered to quote from any of them. So, we've got a grand total of three examples, one of which I contributed on this very thread. I'm sure there's lots of webcomic examples out there, so maybe I'll head off to YKTTW if we're all agreed that's the best approach.

p.s. to those who said, especially in the earlier thread, "this ain't so bad", let me firmly disagree. Having just slogged through all the sub-pages, I can report that a solid majority are simply things like "go on forum for show A and claim that show B is better and watch the flames", or "go on forum for show A and say you liked the villain" or things like that. Huge, steaming piles of Fan Dumb accusations and lots and lots of bashing of shows as well as fans. Many of the less bad examples can basically be summed up by saying "so-and-so is The Scrappy", which is something we already have covered at The Scrappy.

edited 13th Aug '12 2:08:12 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
[up]Most examples are "Go to (insert forum here), post a comment, wait, Pass the Popcorn. Might get rid of all examples. Seems like trolls, Hate Dumb, and other ilk only exist there, and they might be just a small % of the fans.

edited 13th Aug '12 2:20:55 PM by spacemarine50

 
[up][up] If we have three examples, I don't see the need to create a YKTTW. If there are other examples, we can just let Wiki Magic take care of it. This page is about an Audience Reaction that happens to have some in-universe examples, so the lack of listed examples shouldn't be a problem.

 34 Rebochan, Mon, 13th Aug '12 2:39:28 PM from Soaking up Rays
I've got Sunshine!
So, I'm curious about examples where an Internet Backdraft is acknowledged in real life. For example, in MST3K, both Joel Hodgson and Mike Nelson have mentioned and joked about the extremely passionate debates between fans over the show's host change in Season 5. Other geek culture sites, such as Topless Robot, have invoked the intensity of it as well. There's a joke on the show in Season 10 that poked fun at the comparisons as well (so it may yet be an in-universe example).

Would easily verifiable real-life examples be permitted to stay?
http://www.f-d-r.com/blog/ - Filthy Digital Ramblings, musings on media.
Those were in-story. They would be the examples we are looking for.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
World's Toughest Milkman
[up][up][up] Technically, yes, three is enough that we don't need YKTTW. In fact, since the page works as an index and as an example of fanspeak, less than three would be adequate. But it might be nice to have more valid, in-universe examples, and YKTTW is the best place for that. As I've said, this is reasonably common in gamer webcomics. I'm sure Penny Arcade has several examples. If I weren't terminally bored of that comic—*waits for the backdraft to pass*—I'd go search the archives myself. :)

[up][up]Those are fine. Write them up as proper examples, and I'll see they get included in the article and/or the YKTTW.

edited 13th Aug '12 2:54:27 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 37 jkbeta, Mon, 13th Aug '12 4:44:49 PM from right behind you Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Since there's no YKTTW running, here's an in-universe example (falls under Anime):

In Lucky Star, Konata correctly predicts massive internet backlash after watching an Endless Eight episode of the Haruhi Suzumiya anime.

 38 nrjxll, Sat, 18th Aug '12 1:21:45 PM Relationship Status: Not war
Should subtropes like Gannon-Banned be treated similarly? I was just looking at the page and noted how the examples are virtually identical to those on Internet Backdraft - including some of the same hyperbolic descriptions - except that they're (mostly) only about names.

 39 Septimus Heap, Sat, 18th Aug '12 1:24:20 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Make a TRS thread on that. By the way, Gannon-Banned isn't The Same but More Specific of Internet Backdraft, the examples are.

 40 nrjxll, Sat, 18th Aug '12 1:25:54 PM Relationship Status: Not war
I said the examples were, not the trope (which is merely a subtrope).

World's Toughest Milkman
Ok, YKTTW is now here.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
I don't think it needs a Example Sectionectomy. I think it needs some editing to get rid of hyperbole, and examples that seem fairly trivial or otherwise seems to be too small to be a HUGE Internet Backdraft.
 
In fact you know what?...how bout just making it a Darth Wiki instead?

edited 24th Aug '12 2:42:10 PM by TSims

 
 44 Septimus Heap, Fri, 24th Aug '12 2:50:20 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
We don't use Darth Wiki as a dumping ground anymore.

What is it that we do do?...i keed i keed. Seriously. I don't think the Hyperbole was meant to be malicious. Just people trying to be humorous, or highlight the intensity (or absurdity) of the arguments. I do believe they should be toned down though. That's the only flaw i see,
 
 46 Septimus Heap, Sun, 26th Aug '12 2:28:51 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
What we do with hyperbolic complaint pages that can't show any evidence of correct use (which is not "this is stupid")? We cut them. Or repurpose them.

Well we should just do alot of editing to trim the hyperbole fat...alot of trimming.
 
The trope is about the negative reaction from the 'Net, not an argument on the 'Net.

The trope is about a negative reaction from people who are using the 'Net. Attributing any action of any party (no matter how big) to the Internet itself is downright DAFT.

edited 28th Aug '12 12:32:42 PM by SeanMurrayI

World's Toughest Milkman
Real Life examples in general are completely off-mission for the wiki. We allow them on some tropes because they can help give insight into how a trope was formed or shaped. For a trope this negative, though, we almost never allow real life examples. And when a trope has this many negative real life examples, it's pretty clear it's become a complaint magnet, which is something we don't want.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
World's Toughest Milkman
Ok, since there seems to be less than full consensus here, I went ahead and made a page-action crowner with the various suggestions that have been put forth, here. Squawking for a hook.

The in-universe examples YKTTW is going nowhere, but it does technically have enough examples already to be used as-is.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.

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29th Aug '12 1:26:11 PM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
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