Complaining: Internet Backdraft get usage counts

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1 emeriin10th Aug 2012 08:26:14 AM , Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
My apologies if I'm doing this wrong, but the examples here are severely over-dramatic. Take this relatively small one as an example:

Bring up the matter of posting other people's artwork on the internet, and you can pretty much polarize everyone on that little section of the internet. It may not have the bang to destroy Tokyo, but it will level a few towns in the carnage.

Isn't that the type of the thing Fandom Heresy got sectionomied for?
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2 Komodin10th Aug 2012 09:47:17 AM from Green Hill Zone , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Pointless hyperbole... meh.

If we can't get an example sectionectomy, then we should at least remove examples like that.
3 Rebochan10th Aug 2012 10:23:54 AM from Soaking up Rays
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If examples stay, then I think at bare minimum, there should be concrete examples of the topic's polarizing nature. Otherwise, it's kind of a soapbox.
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4 SeptimusHeap10th Aug 2012 10:28:02 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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This sounds almost like a vehicle for drama importation.
I just get exasperated every time I see an article here about Internet culture. It's so off-mission.

But it looks like this really isn't about the net. The examples are "works that cause arguments," divided by medium. Except, no one has to list examples of each work causing controversy or descriptions of the controversies, all of which probably have spots of more focused pages.

I don't think there is much salvageable here.
I agree that the examples here don't work. I think it would be nice though to have some examples of things that are controversial in fandom. I think we might have to narrow the definition of the trope or something, not mention cut out all the dumb examples.
I'd say cut the examples and state that the article just defines a term.

edited 11th Aug '12 12:18:41 AM by FastEddie

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8 lu12711th Aug 2012 12:11:03 AM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
9 Rebochan11th Aug 2012 12:16:54 AM from Soaking up Rays
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Yea, that has my vote too, though my vote counts a billion times less than Fast Eddie's.
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10 AnotherDuck11th Aug 2012 12:36:31 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
The examples would fit under a trope like How To Start A Flame War. I don't think we want that kind of examples.
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11 SeptimusHeap11th Aug 2012 01:08:22 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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I'd agree with cutting examples as well.
12 Xtifr11th Aug 2012 03:34:37 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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What about limiting it to in-universe examples?
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
13 AnotherDuck11th Aug 2012 04:55:08 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
[up]Haven't checked, but do we have those?
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14 Xtifr11th Aug 2012 05:06:54 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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I suspect they're out there, though probably still rare. I didn't sift through the examples to see if we've caught any yet. Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back doesn't exactly fit, but it was close, and that was a fairly mainstream movie. Webcomics probably have several examples somewhere.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
15 AnotherDuck11th Aug 2012 05:08:38 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Well, webcomics often comment on Internet culture...

Edit: If there are In-Universe examples, I don't mind them staying.

edited 11th Aug '12 10:33:42 AM by AnotherDuck

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I support an example sectionectomy (or restricting to in-universe examples).
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Seems like a good first step, deleting the examples that are not in-story. Internet Backdrafts are certainly the topic of some stories.

edited 11th Aug '12 11:19:07 AM by FastEddie

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18 jkbeta11th Aug 2012 12:10:44 PM from right behind you , Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
So, basically, make it in-universe only? Sounds like a good plan.
19 Xtifr11th Aug 2012 02:20:24 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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I might have to skim through it to verify, but I think Vernor Vinge's Zones of Thought series might fit. On the interstellar internet equivalent, humanity itself becomes a topic that causes backdraft after they get blamed for waking the Great Old One/AI.

(I suspect Eddie may be familiar with this example.) :)

edited 11th Aug '12 2:21:20 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
I am familiar with it, in fact. Definitely fits.
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21 Xtifr11th Aug 2012 11:30:14 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Ok, well that's one. Unfortunately, I looked at the webcomic section and there weren't any in-universe examples there. We might need YKTTW to come up with the normal minimum of three.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
22 AnotherDuck12th Aug 2012 06:14:59 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
On the other hand, since it's an index/definition page, having few examples isn't as damning as for a regular trope page. Heading to YKTTW just to gather In-Universe examples isn't a bad idea, though.
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23 Xtifr12th Aug 2012 12:10:11 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Ok, I've only got one active YKTTW at the moment, so I'm willing to give it a try.

I'll dig through the other sections just in case there's more in-universe examples. I survived helping with the Ruined Forever cleanup; I can probably survive one more dive into the world of fandom-bashing. sad

We're probably going to be able to cut all the current subpages, though. I can't imagine that I'll find enough examples to require subpages.

eta: example(s) found:

misfiled under comic books:
  • There's actually an example of this in an episode of The Big Bang Theory, where Sheldon gets in an internet argument with Batman fans over which Robin should be the rightful successor of Batman, in the event of Batman's death. It then spills over in real life when Sheldon mentions the argument to a friend who's a comic book salesman, and then they begin arguing with each other.

rewritten to focus on the in-universe bits:
  • In iCarly, the show-within-a-show becomes the target of backdraft, and the protagonists have to try to remind their viewers of the MST3K Mantra.

eta x2: oh god, my eyes, my brain! I'm about halfway through, I've found two whole legitimate examples so far, and my opinion on the rest has gone from "we should probably cut it" to "burn it with fire!" I need a break. Will try to finish up later.

edited 12th Aug '12 1:55:39 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
24 AnotherDuck12th Aug 2012 07:40:38 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
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