Needs Help: Darth Wiki.Wall Banger get usage counts

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26 IndirectActiveTransport3rd Sep 2012 11:01:00 AM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Underworld Guardian
Dethroning moment is natter. Any given sub category.

And by some we mean the the forum this troper frequents away from editing the this site.

I guess if merging got rid of dethroning moment I'd go for it, but its worse than wall banger. We don't just get instances, we get people's feelings, which while more cathartic for the poster is always more annoying for the reader and is against the whole reason we don't use this troper.
That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
27 SeptimusHeap3rd Sep 2012 11:13:44 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
I have looked through Wallbanger. I can say with reasonable confidence that most readers will prefer DMOS. It's rather ordered and clearly labels the things as opinions, while Wallbanger is an unreadable mess and most people will be annoyed at opinions being presented as facts there.
Nerds Are Sexy.. sometimes
[up][up] Yeah. I think Wall Banger's in better shape. I think the fact that you don't sign your entries puts people in a more objective mindset (not that that's saying much). It also makes it easier to edit and remove false information and natter— if someone gets the info wrong on a DMOS, you don't want to edit something with another troper's name on it, you want to reply. But then you don't even want to do that, because that would take up your one entry.

DMOS is just one confused jumble. (Not that Wall Banger's much better.)

edited 3rd Sep '12 11:16:00 AM by StopMentioningYourself

This has got to be like the 5,000th time I forgot my email or password...
29 SeptimusHeap3rd Sep 2012 11:18:29 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Wallbanger is not objective at all. And DMOS does get corrected when it's wrong. You can't reply there, incidentally. And DMOS has more curation.

More importantly, we are trying to fix Wallbanger, not DMOS. We have been over the latter already a few times, it seems.
30 IndirectActiveTransport3rd Sep 2012 11:18:48 AM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Underworld Guardian
Not really. As long as it happened, then I don't see the problem if someone didn't like it. If it didn't happen, then just change it, and no awkwardness from encroaching on other tropers or protest from tropers who put their names out.

Plus, if wall banger really is a mess(I don't see exactly where this perceived mess is) there are simple clean up guidelines. There's nothing stopping you from doing clean up.(Single instances, no This Troper or links to troper pages)
That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
Nerds Are Sexy.. sometimes
[up][up] As for objectivity... Well, I did say it wasn't saying much. ^_^;

EDIT: It doesn't matter that much which one remains as long as the final page is cleaned and curated. They are basically the same trope, just with a few differences in the rules. DMOS actually has rules, which is a start.

(Also, even if you can't reply in DMOS... that's stopped no one.)

edited 3rd Sep '12 11:27:39 AM by StopMentioningYourself

This has got to be like the 5,000th time I forgot my email or password...
32 SeptimusHeap3rd Sep 2012 11:25:43 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Wallbanger and DMOS exist as a) because some people like reading that and b) we don't want to spill them out in the main wiki. DMOS has curators and the first person doesn't trouble much. WB has loads of natter and Thread Mode that make it unreadable, plus it's not marked as personal opinion which makes all this more annoying. And it has less inbounds than DMOS.

Why do you want to merge the better working page into the more problematic one?
33 IndirectActiveTransport3rd Sep 2012 11:56:02 AM from Chicago , Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Underworld Guardian
In this case, less inbounds is a good thing, because neither one is indicative of the wiki's mission, or even the Darth Wiki's. A lot of inbounds just means a lot more people are getting the wrong idea.

As for Dethroning Moment being easier to read than Wall banger, I've read both back to back in preparation for this thread and have to strongly disagree. As for dethroning moment having a curator, wall banger has a few curators too...I used to be one before Darth Wiki was exorcised from the main wiki to the point it didn't even have a tab on the home page. Dethroning moment's entries are tend to be full of much more Word Cruft, non relevant feelings and of course are inherently full to first person.

There are some justifying edits but I haven't seen any full blow instances of thread mode, just examples. The reason wall banger is longer, is because its older. Dethroning Moment shouldn't have made it through You Know The Thing Where.
That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
34 SeptimusHeap3rd Sep 2012 12:00:45 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
A lot of inbounds just means a lot more people are getting the wrong idea.

Citation Needed, especially since only a minority of these are would-be editors. I still don't agree with merging them the other way around. That said, I'll make a crowner for this shortly.
Here's my $0.02: Wallbanger, which is basically "a really stupid moment that doesn't make sense," is better than DMOS which is just for general complaining. And we're not about complaining, but we do have specific sections for bad writing. So that's why I want to keep Wallbanger event hough I'd like to see DMOS cut: Wallbanger is a subjective page about objectively illogical writing.

edited 18th Oct '12 9:55:06 AM by MichaelKatsuro

Qtjinla15
As someone who goes to both and enjoy reading the information, I think its better to clean them up instead of cutting them because people have been cut happy with too many pages.
37 SeptimusHeap20th Oct 2012 01:39:56 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
If you want to clean a page, feel free to do so. Don't expect others to do the work for you.

And after rereading the Wall Banger subpages, I say that if that is about objectively illogical writing, then the example should go to the objective trope, not to Darth Wiki.
38 SeptimusHeap5th Nov 2012 09:21:03 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Bump. Any options for merging Wall Banger and Fridge Logic? Since that is the closes thing I can find here, besides Complaining About Shows You Don't Like?
39 nrjxll5th Nov 2012 07:47:49 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
That sounds like a terrible idea. Fridge Logic is often used for complaining, but it's not supposed to be. Merging something like Wall Banger with it would be sacrificing a perfectly good trope.
40 BearyScary5th Nov 2012 08:47:36 PM , Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
[up]I agree with this.
""Fought Nazi Vampires like Badasses" is a fine thing to have engraved on your tombstone." - Shiny Tsukkomi
[up]Second against it, Wall Bangers are more subjective then fridge logic in most cases. It's kinda like "Stuff that Bugs Me".

edited 6th Nov '12 3:04:45 PM by shoboni

"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
42 TropeEater6th Nov 2012 04:17:49 PM from the depths of Hell
That One Troper
I really think we should merge this with DMOS.

It's just redundant, and the page is out of control as it is. It's subjective enough that an Example Sectionectomy would be essentially the same as a cut.
   Evil is my favorite color.   
I say leave it as a complaining catch to keep if off the rest of the wiki.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
44 nrjxll7th Nov 2012 12:43:35 AM , Relationship Status: Not war
[up]Why do we need two separate pages for that?
It's called venting, if we give people a page to vent about this stuff they'll keep it off the rest of of the wiki.

Also, we don't, fridge logic isn't supposed to be complaining.

edited 7th Nov '12 8:41:00 AM by shoboni

"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
46 SeptimusHeap7th Nov 2012 08:51:19 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
I fully support a merge. Question is, which page into which? I'd prefer to keep only the DMOS instead of WB because the former essentially admits that it's just about one person, and the venting effect will work better this way.
Stupid question time, whats DMOS?
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
48 Oreochan7th Nov 2012 09:23:09 AM from Pennsylvania
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
49 SeptimusHeap7th Nov 2012 09:24:10 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Dethroning Moment of Suck. A list of complaints about a show. One complaint per show per troper. Yes, it looks stupid, but I feel that it's written better than Wall Banger and that it serves the purpose of deflecting complaints from the wiki better.
Qtjinla15
I don't think the two are similar enough to merge though.

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9th Nov '12 11:05:09 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
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