QuasarETA: The discussion has moved on from Special Efforts to the trim-down of stickies in the left-hand forums in general, since a) pinned threads are inherently clutter, especially more than one b) many of these are in the wrong subforum and c) many are outdated.
edited 16th Aug '12 12:56:13 PM by SeptimusHeap
Seeking for LightAs mentioned above, I support this. Another advantage would be that it would allow me to cut down the length of the Special Efforts welcome PM, as I could point to the directory rather than having to go over each thread in the PM.
In uffish thoughtI also support this for Special Efforts and Wiki Talk (I go over each sticky in my welcome PM, and it's rather long). If things could be reduced to one or two index stickies, that'd be a lot nicer — maybe one for links to generic cleanup threads for grammar, natter, negativity, etc. and one for links to current projects like Nightmare Fuel, It Got Worse, and Complete Monster. I can't quite picture the arrangement of a Wiki Talk version, but I'm sure it could be done. I think it would make stuff easier to find and encourage people to read below the stikies. The flipside is that if people can't see at once that there's a thread for, say, wick migration then they may never check it and help out.
edited 29th Jul '12 12:21:18 AM by Telcontar
QuasarI think we need to limit a Special Efforts sticky to the general use threads. On the Wiki Talk thing, it might fit as well, but with an expanded scope. Other forums might benefit as well, such as Trope Talk, Image Pickin' and Frequently Asked Questions. I'll pull up a draft for Special Efforts, wait a mo.
This thread is a directory of threads for general use in the Special Efforts subforum. This subforum is dedicated to large-scale cleanup and repair projects on the wiki. Note: Just send a holler to get this post updated, or PM me. It's going to stay locked so that it doesn't drown in conversation. Second Note: Don't hesitate at bumping a long-disused thread. These are general use threads and duplicates are discouraged.Tried some fixing here.
edited 29th Jul '12 9:54:48 AM by SeptimusHeap
Seeking for LightCouple of comments:
QuasarDid some edits there. Now, the main question is who makes said thread. Concerning Telcontar's suggestion about Wiki Talk, methinks that the issue is that many pinned threads are obsolete or better off in another subforum. I'll post an analysis on the subject if we want it.
In uffish thoughtWhat about sorting a bit like this? A couple threads are listed twice, I'm afraid. I've also included two Wiki Talk threads that I feel should be in the same subforum as similar ones, whether that be WT or SE. (Not going to bother with descriptions.)
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QuasarThat makes sense as well, but I prefer to keep at least some description there. Concerning the Wiki Talk threads, all I can say is that I can't figure a single sticky in Wiki Talk that isn't better off in another subforum (as part of the aforementioned analysis)
In uffish thoughtI prefer description as well; I was just trying to make a basic order and it was faster not to write it. Wiki Talk stikies:
QuasarNamespace questions seems to fit FAQ - content policy too. Get Help With English - huh, I don't think that any subforum fits. Unless we consider it a special effort. YMMV inuniverse fits in a post in General Announcements, if anything.
edited 29th Jul '12 2:24:29 PM by SeptimusHeap
In uffish thoughtFAQ has an even greater number of stickies and is very low-traffic, which is why I think namespace questions (that often include policy queries) and the directory thread should stay here. A post in General Announcements is a good place for the info in the YMMV tropes thread. The [[invoked]] tag also needs a mention on Text Formatting Rules.
QuasarMost of the stickies in FAQ are quite unnecessary (except for rules, announcements and possible what goes where). But that might be topic of another thread. Now, how do we get the mods' attention to this project? ETA: The directory thread is mostly for reading. Ditto FAQ. So I thought they would fit there.
edited 30th Jul '12 4:25:49 AM by SeptimusHeap
I'll put one up.
QuasarHere, for reference A few notes:
Anime-tedIf it's not already there, the Nightmare Fuel cleanup thread needs to be included.
QuasarIt's not included (also because we aren't still 100% sure how this should work), and we haven't agreed upon whether we list specific cleanup threads (like Complete Monster and Nightmare Fuel) there as most people will find them easier than a general use thread like Fixing X Just X
Seeking for LightOkay, a post with the actual directory is up. If you think it would be better arranged elsewhere, see a thread I missed, or anything of the like, let me know. I decided to include the long-term trope work threads because they seem like something people might want to find; if someone has a strong reason why they shouldn't be included, they can be removed.
QuasarIt looks good, but now 8 stickies are clutter. If nobody objects, I'll take the sticky overload topic to a new thread since it covers several more fora.
In uffish thoughtThe directory thread should be the only sticky IMO, rather than adding to the pile. I don't see the benefit of splitting discussion of other subforums to another thread — just holler for a rename on this one (to "Cutting down on stikies" or "Making directory threads") and it should be fine. I'm happy with any option, though; I'll just save a sweep of the FAQ stickies for when I know where to put it.
QuasarOK. I'll holler here - once it's done, I'll post an analysis of the sticky issue.
In uffish thoughtThis is an analysis of the FAQ stickies — do they belong there and do they need to be stickied. What changes would you make/what does your analysis look like? I've done a rough grouping, but haven't put much thought in.
edited 31st Jul '12 12:08:24 PM by Telcontar
QuasarAny opinion on ?
Pro-PinkistI've been thinking we need to reduce clatter. Lesseee... I think we can safely unpin the contributor list thread and Troper Map from FAQ. Troper Map is getting all the traffic in Yack Fest, after all. Now, I think it's important to have an easy guide to searching IP and TRS morgue, since that comes up a lot and can be confusing. I think the best would be to merge both TRS and IP threads into one stickied thread.
QuasarIs it possible to pin them in the morgue(s)? The TRS morgue thread is linked from the Welcome to the TRS thread and the IP one (I think) from the IP: Policy and other stuff thread after all.
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