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Reorganising stickies:

 1 Septimus Heap, Sat, 28th Jul '12 2:11:21 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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ETA: The discussion has moved on from Special Efforts to the trim-down of stickies in the left-hand forums in general, since a) pinned threads are inherently clutter, especially more than one b) many of these are in the wrong subforum and c) many are outdated. Spinoff of this discussion, it has become apparent that Special Efforts has lots of threads for general use that aren't easy to track down and a lot of pinned threads that take up space. In consideration of this, I and Nocturna were thinking about setting up a pinned directory thread for all the general use threads in there (and possibly for the more specific ones as well, with some criteria) so that duplications can be reduced - and possibly to reduce the crowding of stickied threads in there. Thoughts?

edited 16th Aug '12 12:56:13 PM by SeptimusHeap

Seeking for Light
As mentioned above, I support this. Another advantage would be that it would allow me to cut down the length of the Special Efforts welcome PM, as I could point to the directory rather than having to go over each thread in the PM.

Terradorablyfying
I also support this for Special Efforts and Wiki Talk (I go over each sticky in my welcome PM, and it's rather long). If things could be reduced to one or two index stickies, that'd be a lot nicer — maybe one for links to generic cleanup threads for grammar, natter, negativity, etc. and one for links to current projects like Nightmare Fuel, It Got Worse, and Complete Monster. I can't quite picture the arrangement of a Wiki Talk version, but I'm sure it could be done.

I think it would make stuff easier to find and encourage people to read below the stikies. The flipside is that if people can't see at once that there's a thread for, say, wick migration then they may never check it and help out.

edited 29th Jul '12 12:21:18 AM by Telcontar

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 4 Septimus Heap, Sun, 29th Jul '12 12:30:06 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I think we need to limit a Special Efforts sticky to the general use threads.

On the Wiki Talk thing, it might fit as well, but with an expanded scope.

Other forums might benefit as well, such as Trope Talk, Image Pickin' and Frequently Asked Questions.

I'll pull up a draft for Special Efforts, wait a mo.

This thread is a directory of threads for general use in the Special Efforts subforum. This subforum is dedicated to large-scale cleanup and repair projects on the wiki.

Note: Just send a holler to get this post updated, or PM me. It's going to stay locked so that it doesn't drown in conversation.

Second Note: Don't hesitate at bumping a long-disused thread. These are general use threads and duplicates are discouraged.

Threads

[down]Tried some fixing here.

edited 29th Jul '12 9:54:48 AM by SeptimusHeap

Seeking for Light
[up] Couple of comments:
  • The final line of the description should read "these are general use threads", not "these a general use".
  • You forgot Regarding the Trivia namespace: for deciding which pages are trivia
  • The list of threads should probably have some sort of coherent order to them, like alphabetical.

 6 Septimus Heap, Sun, 29th Jul '12 9:56:50 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Did some edits there. Now, the main question is who makes said thread.

Concerning Telcontar's suggestion about Wiki Talk, methinks that the issue is that many pinned threads are obsolete or better off in another subforum. I'll post an analysis on the subject if we want it.

Terradorablyfying
What about sorting a bit like this? A couple threads are listed twice, I'm afraid. I've also included two Wiki Talk threads that I feel should be in the same subforum as similar ones, whether that be WT or SE. (Not going to bother with descriptions.)

Page issues:

General cleanup and other issues:

Familiarity with page required

Wick issues:

Areas:

Other:

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 8 Septimus Heap, Sun, 29th Jul '12 10:31:08 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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That makes sense as well, but I prefer to keep at least some description there. Concerning the Wiki Talk threads, all I can say is that I can't figure a single sticky in Wiki Talk that isn't better off in another subforum (as part of the aforementioned analysis)

Terradorablyfying
I prefer description as well; I was just trying to make a basic order and it was faster not to write it. Wiki Talk stikies:

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 10 Septimus Heap, Sun, 29th Jul '12 10:55:32 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Namespace questions seems to fit FAQ - content policy too. Get Help With English - huh, I don't think that any subforum fits. Unless we consider it a special effort.

YMMV inuniverse fits in a post in General Announcements, if anything.

edited 29th Jul '12 2:24:29 PM by SeptimusHeap

Terradorablyfying
FAQ has an even greater number of stickies and is very low-traffic, which is why I think namespace questions (that often include policy queries) and the directory thread should stay here.

A post in General Announcements is a good place for the info in the YMMV tropes thread. The [[invoked]] tag also needs a mention on Text Formatting Rules.
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 12 Septimus Heap, Mon, 30th Jul '12 4:07:21 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Most of the stickies in FAQ are quite unnecessary (except for rules, announcements and possible what goes where). But that might be topic of another thread.

Now, how do we get the mods' attention to this project?

ETA: The directory thread is mostly for reading. Ditto FAQ. So I thought they would fit there.

edited 30th Jul '12 4:25:49 AM by SeptimusHeap

I'll put one up.
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 14 Septimus Heap, Mon, 30th Jul '12 8:08:09 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Here, for reference

A few notes:
  • It is probably better to edit the threads into the OP instead of listing them through the thread - it just makes more work to search and the list is bound to end up disorganized.
  • I had thought of a slightly longer thread title, so that people immediately know to search there - like "Thread directory - threads you may be searching for"
  • One point of this directory is to allow to trim down all the stickies in there - but other subfora have these issues too, so it might be better to discuss in another thread.

 15 Willbyr, Mon, 30th Jul '12 12:48:26 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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If it's not already there, the Nightmare Fuel cleanup thread needs to be included.
 16 Septimus Heap, Mon, 30th Jul '12 12:52:55 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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It's not included (also because we aren't still 100% sure how this should work), and we haven't agreed upon whether we list specific cleanup threads (like Complete Monster and Nightmare Fuel) there as most people will find them easier than a general use thread like Fixing X Just X

Seeking for Light
Okay, a post with the actual directory is up. If you think it would be better arranged elsewhere, see a thread I missed, or anything of the like, let me know. I decided to include the long-term trope work threads because they seem like something people might want to find; if someone has a strong reason why they shouldn't be included, they can be removed.

 18 Septimus Heap, Tue, 31st Jul '12 4:15:49 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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It looks good, but now 8 stickies are clutter.

If nobody objects, I'll take the sticky overload topic to a new thread since it covers several more fora.

Terradorablyfying
The directory thread should be the only sticky IMO, rather than adding to the pile.

I don't see the benefit of splitting discussion of other subforums to another thread — just holler for a rename on this one (to "Cutting down on stikies" or "Making directory threads") and it should be fine. I'm happy with any option, though; I'll just save a sweep of the FAQ stickies for when I know where to put it.
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 20 Septimus Heap, Tue, 31st Jul '12 4:26:12 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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OK. I'll holler here - once it's done, I'll post an analysis of the sticky issue.

Terradorablyfying
This is an analysis of the FAQ stickies — do they belong there and do they need to be stickied. What changes would you make/what does your analysis look like? I've done a rough grouping, but haven't put much thought in.

  • GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS:
    • It's in the right place.
    • It needs to be kept stickied.
  • THE FORUM RULES:
    • It's in the right place.
    • It really needs to be kept stickied.

  • What Goes Where On The Forums:
    • It's in the right place.
    • It's worthy of a sticky because it's basically the directory thread for this site.

  • Edit banned/Suspended - would like to edit again:
    • It is in the right place
    • It may or may not be worthy of a sticky. The "suspended" screen links to the thread so stickying shouldn't be necessary, but a number of suspended people still miss that and open a new topic.
  • Forgot my password!:
    • It's in the right place.
    • It's worthy of a sticky to make it easier to find.

  • Edit request for a locked page:
    • It's in the right place. (The thread asking for unlocks should be moved to FAQ to complement it.)
    • It's worthy of a sticky because that makes it easier to find — there might be a greater issue with people asking for edits via discussion pages if it wasn't stickied. It does keep itself at the top, but when most of the others are so low-traffic that's no great feat.

  • Image Changin' Etiquette:
    • It may or may not be in the right place — the material is more suited to IP, but sometimes spreading info is useful. Keeping it in FAQ reduces IP stickies.
    • If kept in FAQ, it's not worth a sticky as all the information in it is covered elsewhere, on wiki pages and in the IP herald PM.

  • How to Fix A Trope:
    • It's in the right place as that prevents TRS being cluttered with stickies.
    • It's not worth a sticky as all the information in it is covered elsewhere, on wiki pages and in the TRS herald PM. It's also linked from the Welcome to the Trope Repair Shop thread in TRS, so it's easy to find.
  • When To Rename A Trope:
    • It's in the right place as that prevents TRS being cluttered with stickies.
    • It's not worthy of a sticky because it's linked from the Welcome to the Trope Repair Shop thread in TRS, so it's easy to find. It's stickied in FAQ purely to provide a link to the wiki page about renaming tropes, with no real extra info in the OP.
  • Renamed Tropes:
    • It's probably in the right place.
    • It's not worthy of a sticky, as it's harder to search than the Renamed Tropes page. People likely to post in it already know how to find it. It's also linked from the Welcome to the Trope Repair Shop thread in TRS.

  • Finding Old Topics (Repair Shop Morgue) and Finding Old Topics (Image Pickin' Morgue):
    • They're in the right place.
    • Neither are worthy of a sticky because the system has been around for some time now. The info on searching for a thread is useful, but not deserving of a sticky. The other info is already covered elsewhere. The threads are also essentially duplicates of each other.

  • How do I add my name to the contributor list?:
    • It's in the right place.
    • It's not worth a sticky because enough people check un-typed pages frequently, so the problem wouldn't last long anyway.

  • Troper Map: This is already stickied in Yack Fest and doesn't need to be stickied in FAQ as well, if indeed it should exist in FAQ — there aren't any replies, unlike in Yack Fest.

That would leave six stickies — seven if you moved the Wiki Talk thread for unlock requests to FAQ. Hm. It'd probably be fine to unsticky both threads relating to locked pages, IMO.

edited 31st Jul '12 12:08:24 PM by Telcontar

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 22 Septimus Heap, Tue, 31st Jul '12 12:23:19 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Analysis:
  • FAQ: All the FAQ stickies are in the right forum (although Finding Old Topics may be better off pinned in their morgues), but only three of them (RULES, ANNOUNCEMENTS and What Goes...) need to be pinned for everyone at any time (not just historically). Not sure on "banned" and "password" as these should be easy enough to find (plus, they are listed in What Goes Where). Inclined to say "no" on "edit requests", also because it's reasonably active (which keeps it floating) and linked from Locked Pages.
  • TRS: This issue is a little more complex - will address in another post.
  • Image Pickin': Image Source and IP discussion are definitively pin-worthy. Namespace Icons too, for the duration of the project. The other two ought to be dropped into Wiki Talk (they are policy) and unpinned. For their purpose, a single-post locked thread as drafted here should suffice.
  • Trope Talk: Needs an index is a bit complicated - maybe not pinned. The other three stickies can be confortably merged into one.
  • Wiki Talk:
    • Media namespaces: Fine and there.
    • Herald: Fine and there.
    • YKTTW workstation: Better in Special Efforts or Trope Talk. Not pinned in either.
    • Unlock: In FAQ and not pinned (or merged into Edit Requests)
    • Banners: Special Efforts, not pinned
    • English: Fine and here.
    • Directory: Better in FAQ.
    • YMMV: No need for stickying.
  • Special Efforts: Everything but the directory ought to be unpinned.
  • Tech Wishlist: Current arrangement fine.
  • Content Violations: This post needs copying to this one so that the former can be unpinned and the latter stop being clutter.

 23 Septimus Heap, Wed, 1st Aug '12 10:54:29 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Any opinion on [up]?

 24 lu 127, Sat, 4th Aug '12 5:38:23 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I've been thinking we need to reduce clatter. Lesseee...

I think we can safely unpin the contributor list thread and Troper Map from FAQ. Troper Map is getting all the traffic in Yack Fest, after all.

Now, I think it's important to have an easy guide to searching IP and TRS morgue, since that comes up a lot and can be confusing. I think the best would be to merge both TRS and IP threads into one stickied thread.
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 25 Septimus Heap, Sat, 4th Aug '12 6:43:25 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Is it possible to pin them in the morgue(s)? The TRS morgue thread is linked from the Welcome to the TRS thread and the IP one (I think) from the IP: Policy and other stuff thread after all.

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