Really a Useful Note: Appeal To Force get usage counts
Deadlock Clock: 14th Dec 2012 11:59:00 PM

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When I read this trope, I'm not sure if it's trying to be a normal trope, or a useful notes page. The formal also makes me go "Why did they do it like that?" Also, this article is almost 2 years old; lacking examples considering that?
2 SeptimusHeap28th Jul 2012 03:23:39 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
It's the product of a split of Logical Fallacies. It was done rather haphazardly from what I remember
3 Xtifr28th Jul 2012 04:03:34 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Note that Screw the Rules, I Have a Nuke! claims to be more or less the same thing, except in trope format, and it's in the trope repair shop for underuse, lack of clarity, and very misleading name. One (partial) solution to both problems might be to move this to Useful Notes, and transplant the Nuke trope in its place.

(The other discussion is here.)
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
4 OmegaKross10th Sep 2012 03:29:21 PM from Nosgoth , Relationship Status: Mu
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Appeal to Force is the most basic logical fallicy, and should not be omitted from the list simply because somebody doesnt like the way it's formatted. If you're going to make a big list of logical fallicies, you have to include its simplest form.

That said, the whole thing is a series of Useful Notes pages. Move one, move them all.

EDIT: Ack, the formatting be awful alright. That closing paragraph should come before the list of examples.

Also realises that omitting the page from the list was never discussed.

(Bangs head.)

edited 10th Sep '12 3:36:32 PM by OmegaKross

5 SeptimusHeap5th Nov 2012 09:24:41 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Bumping here. Do we move this to Useful Notes and plug Screw the Rules, I Have a Nuke! in?
6 lu12711th Dec 2012 07:36:06 AM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Clocking.
7 Xtifr11th Dec 2012 07:05:42 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
[up][up]That's my vote.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
8 AnotherDuck12th Dec 2012 03:04:42 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
What about Might Makes Right?
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9 Madrugada12th Dec 2012 03:39:28 AM , Relationship Status: In season
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If you're going to move Appeal to Force to Useful Notes, all of the other pages on Logical Fallacies should be moved there as well.
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10 Xtifr13th Dec 2012 11:13:26 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
[up]Aren't they already useful notes? Even if they haven't been properly namespaced yet?
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
Agree that the Fallacies pages should be moved to useful notes.

12 SeptimusHeap15th Jan 2013 08:37:04 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Bumping this. Do we need a crowner for the Logical Fallacies namespacing here?
These are tropes. Let's don't just have a page-move drill for its own sake. There is plenty to do.

At most they might need some text explaining how they are used in storytelling.

edited 15th Jan '13 1:22:42 PM by FastEddie

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
14 SeptimusHeap18th Jan 2013 02:48:27 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
So do we just need a rewrite? Unfortunately, I am not good at description rewrites.
15 Xtifr18th Jan 2013 11:43:33 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
But we already have this separately as a trope. (See above.) Two different names for the same trope can't be a good thing.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
Well, cut Screw the Rules I Have a Nuke!, then, if only because of the crappy title. I'd much rather the trope have a name that will be used than yet another useless snowclone.

edited 19th Jan '13 1:51:58 PM by FastEddie

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
17 SeptimusHeap19th Jan 2013 01:57:10 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Nevermind.

edited 19th Jan '13 1:59:13 PM by SeptimusHeap

18 SeptimusHeap19th Jan 2013 02:51:13 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Ok, I think that we have already two tropes for the storytelling use of Appeal to Force (Screw the Rules, I Have a Nuke! for the character using it and Might Makes Right for the author), but since the former has only 70 wicks and a line of dialogue as a name, I propose to put the current trope Screw the Rules, I Have a Nuke! into the page Appeal to Force and ditch or redirect Screw the Rules, I Have a Nuke!.

eta: Because there is no point in disambiguating.

edited 19th Jan '13 3:36:50 PM by SeptimusHeap

Makes sense.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Looks like a good idea to me.[up][up]

Also, ugh, that formatting is so bad.

edited 19th Jan '13 9:11:39 PM by ArcadesSabboth

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21 SeptimusHeap21st Jan 2013 08:45:45 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Ok, do we make a crowner for this change?

Also, I've found an older thread that deals with some of the other pages on the index.
Haven't seen arguments against the change. May as well just proceed.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
23 SeptimusHeap21st Jan 2013 09:17:51 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I'll do it as soon as dinner is done, then.
24 SeptimusHeap21st Jan 2013 12:33:14 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
And did the rename. I put the old def of Appeal to Force under Sandbox.Appeal To Force, by the way.
25 lu12728th Jan 2013 12:10:11 AM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Cool. Then I'll lock this.
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