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Not Thriving: Richard Woolsey Effect get usage counts

 26 ccoa, Fri, 21st Sep '12 9:59:52 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
[up][up] Of course it doesn't have natter yet. It doesn't have much of anything yet. But a page about people who look bad in uniform is nothing but a vehicle for complaining.

And 1) We are not about bitching about things we don't like in works. And 2) we are about tropes first. Works are on-mission because they have tropes. Audience reactions are NOT TROPES. They're something we keep around for fun and for legacy reasons. If they cause problems, like Accidental Nightmare Fuel, they go. Why would we want to salvage the Audience Reaction portion of this trope? Why go to the work?

[up]As I said, the description seems to describe three different but related things:

  1. Character wears the uniform, but looks uncomfortable in it. Could be a trope if this is a metaphor for not fitting into the group. If so, it's related to 3 and can probably be folded into it.

  2. Character wears the uniform, but looks bad in it. This is an audience reaction unless someone remarks on it in-universe.

  3. Character goes to great lengths not to wear the uniform. Again, a trope if it is used to demonstrate something about the character.

edited 21st Sep '12 10:00:35 AM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 27 Septimus Heap, Fri, 21st Sep '12 10:40:56 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I can't see any Audience Reaction here, not in the examples at least. I don't feel like this is Audience Reaction, but it definitively needs a new name.

 28 ccoa, Fri, 21st Sep '12 11:01:42 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
I didn't say it was an AR, I said that the description describes one in part. I don't believe anyone has made the claim that this is an AR.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 29 Another Duck, Fri, 21st Sep '12 11:27:22 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
[up]If the description implies Audience Reaction, there's cause to mention that we don't see it in how the trope should be, or is used.

[up][up][up]Those descriptions are somewhat different from your first ones, and more along with how I see it. To summarise those into what I think would be a good definition (well, if rewritten):


Character goes to great lengths not to wear the uniform. This trope is used to demonstrate something about the character, such as a metaphor for not fitting into the group, or having an unusual personality for the group.

Additionally, it's not a custom variation of the standard uniform, but a completely different one. Often, it's simply the uniform or dress code of the old position of the character, or it can just be something the character feels comfortable in, without necessarily being a deliberate attempt at subversion or displaying nonconformity.

May overlap with Custom Uniform. Somewhat related to Transfer Student Uniforms, Still Wearing The Old Colors. Probably always separate from Non-Uniform Uniform.

edited 21st Sep '12 11:27:53 AM by AnotherDuck

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 30 ccoa, Fri, 21st Sep '12 11:58:32 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
That's because those definitions were modified in further posts based on feedback I got after posting them.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 31 Another Duck, Fri, 21st Sep '12 12:16:25 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
Well, I can't see that. tongue

[down]Then please be clear what you refer to, and that you don't mean a single post, but several I have to look for.

edited 21st Sep '12 3:41:58 PM by AnotherDuck

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 32 ccoa, Fri, 21st Sep '12 12:30:51 PM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
I said so in post 9.

edited 21st Sep '12 12:31:31 PM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
World's Toughest Milkman
Personally, I just don't see the point in turning this into something its not, and renaming it, all in one fell swoop. If the all-too-vague definition makes you think of something that is a trope, you can just take that to YKTTW. You can even take along any examples you see that happen to fit.

As it stands, what this describes is too vague and all-over-the-place to really be described as a trope. As ccoa points out, it's possible to see at least two different tropes and one audience reaction in this.

Cutting it, and allowing people to YKTTW any actual tropes they may think they see, will clear up a TRS slot, and with only six examples, which don't all match any particular actual-trope definition, nothing of value will be lost.

But we can do this the hard way if that's what people prefer. The results should be exactly the same, so I don't see why it matters so much which approach we use. I'm not volunteering for YKTTW duty this time, though, because I've already got several in the air.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
World's Toughest Milkman
Bump for more votes. Also, if we're really going to make this into a trope, we need to decide on a definition. The option "make this a trope" may be easy to vote for, but unless you've got some idea of what it might be, it's not a very useful thing to vote for.

edited 29th Sep '12 1:53:10 AM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 35 Another Duck, Sat, 29th Sep '12 2:06:34 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I have an idea. smile

Not a lot of votes, but redefine and rename are both above 2.3 : 1 ratio.

edited 29th Sep '12 2:09:05 AM by AnotherDuck

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World's Toughest Milkman
Well, cut is back in the lead. I still think that's the best solution. This is simply too vague, and doesn't have enough examples of anything we might try to define it as to justify saving it. If someone really wants to make a trope of some of the concepts we've discussed, YKTTW is the place to go, and you don't need to preserve this stub for that.

Oh, and bump for more votes.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
I think it's time to call this one for a cut.

World's Toughest Milkman
Bump. This has been stable for a while, and cut seems like the clear winner.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 39 shimaspawn, Tue, 16th Oct '12 9:05:49 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Consensus to cut.

edited 16th Oct '12 9:05:56 AM by shimaspawn

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World's Toughest Milkman
De-wicked (there was only one) and sent to the cut-list with a link back to this thread. Once it's cut, we can close this.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
Late, but I agree with cut, it's like two years old and still almost empty.
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 42 lu 127, Sat, 20th Oct '12 3:39:01 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
This has been cut. Let's lock.
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Page Action: Richard Woolsey Effect
18th Sep '12 5:49:19 PM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
The trope has an unclear, non-indicative name, an unclear description, and may not even be a trope. Note that the options below are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
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