So... purge the aversions, or just make this an "Aversions Only" trope?
There was the suggestion of removing aversions, or making a new trope for logistical diffculties. Even tough I hate YKTTW-linked TRS threads, I'd support this idea here.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I support a no aversions clause, especially for the Real Life section.
Since the Real Life examples do fit, a No Real Life Examples Please would not be apt.
But, there's also No Such Thing As Notability.
What has notability got to do with this?
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It should be noted that this is Easy Logistics, not No Logicstics At All. It's not an aversion just because there is some logistics involved somewhere. Most of the "aversions" on the page are just "(some) weapons need ammo" or similar, but still greatly simplified compared to real life.
No, the other one.
I think we can remove all "partial" "aversions" and games that make a small effort for realism in logistics.
edited 27th Jan '13 5:28:09 AM by AnotherDuck
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Several post brought up the issue of notability. That's why I mentioned it.
Straight examples are notable and should be listed. Aversions probably just fall under Simulation Game.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Straight examples are just listed as played straight.
Should we pull it through YKTTW to try and pick up straight examples, so that we can axe the aversions? Are there enough straight examples already on the page that we don't have to?
edited 5th Feb '13 10:51:26 AM by troacctid
Rhymes with "Protracted."
How many straight examples are there in the first place?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanSeen It A Million Times. There's lots. It's a common trope. I don't know how many straight examples are actually on the page disguised as "partial aversions"; it might be possible to comb through, find them, and rewrite them, I guess.
edited 5th Feb '13 10:59:59 AM by troacctid
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Maybe aversions as a separate trope, opposite of this one, where logistics is done right or somewhat right?
Somewhat right I am not sure it's a trope. Always right - people said it was Simulation Game.
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Wait... this is a military specific trope?? Why doesn't the title reflect that?
spacemarine50, please don't just post "bump". It doesn't do anything.
Anyhow, how far have we got with this? Should we just cut the aversions?
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No, the other one.
I think that might be a good idea. I could write a list about where I'd expect the trope and not to see where aversions would be notable, but that's just muddy water. I might accept an entry where it's properly explained why the example is notable (and not just how it averts the trope), but I don't remember reading any such example on the page.
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Those would still be straight examples of the trope. Most of the time, since they tend to use simplified mechanics to deal with logistics. For example, having troops require an upkeep cost (But not explaining how the supplies get to them, sometimes behind enemy lines).
No, the other one.
Which is why they should explain how they don't handle logistics. For the trope, it's where it isn't realistic that matters. I mean, take M.A.X., for instance. As far as the trope is concerned, it's more relevant that the skipped many of the logistics mechanics in the second game, such as limited ammo and supply pipes, rather than that they had those to begin with in the first game.
edited 18th Apr '13 1:54:58 PM by AnotherDuck
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This trope is fundamentally about unrealistic logistics. Aversions may be notable, but not under this trope.
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I'd say they are for some genres. Strategy games have, by and large, simplified or absent logistics altogether. Seriously, I am hard pressed to find more than one or two strategy game who doesn't simplify or dumb down logistics. (Hrrrm, Campaign For North Africa is the only one I can think off atm).
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I think we should rename this or launch another article: Military Logistics In Video Games. Divide it into: those where it is absent or handwaved (the current trope); paid for, but no supply lines on the map; supplies come from off-map and you only handle the delivery; then where both budgeting and delivery are present (logistics is really only the second, but the two are very linked here). It would make a lot more sense than the piecemeal approach we have right now.
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