Long Runner). Edit: To be more specific, it's not about a specific numerical limit; it's about patterns. If there's a pattern of huge plot twists, you're just not going to be as surprised by them, and they won't change your perception of the series.
edited 1st Jul '12 12:01:58 PM by Feather7603
I agree with that. For instance, Series/Dexter has shocking twists every other episode. Characters dying, backstories revealed, etc. But it has exactly 2 Wham Episodes. Maybe someone can do some research into what the term was originally supposed to mean, and we can tighten up the definition to fit that.
Posting this here since I'm pretty sure tropes are only allowed to have one repair thred... Anyway, this page is subpage hell. To be blunt, there are far, far too many subpages, most of which have no reason to exsist. Going by opinion, stuff like the Avatar page that have around about three examples don't deserve to full blown subpages. Agree?
Again: how would that be different from Nothing Is the Same Anymore?
edited 15th Jul '12 6:08:54 AM by Lophotrochozoa
Maybe we should merge this with Nothing Is the Same Anymore then. For now, people keep using it for "Thing that hits you, right in the stomach - wham!" Take the page for The Dark Knight Rises.: "Wham Episode: This movie has multiple." No, it has none because it's a MOVIE.
Good one! But what do you think is causing this misuse
I think it's the word "Wham." It doesn't convey a specific meaning. Rather, it just sounds like "thing with high impact" or "thing that hits you hard." And yet it's such a strong and catchy word that it dominated the trope name, to the point where people read "wham episode" or "wham twist" or "wham moment" and just think "WHAM!"
If we merge or cut, we need to take a hard look at snowclones like Wham Line.
No, the other one.I've looked at this for a while, and the more I think about it, the more it sounds like the most reasonable option is to merge with Nothing Is the Same Anymore. It removes the idea that it's about a specific episode, which I think is kind of arbitrary anyway, since most examples are about singular events anyway. Many singular events, but singular events nonetheless.
Two Christmas wormsThe difference between Nothing Is the Same Anymore and Wham Episode is that the former is in-story (=status quo changes) while the latter is aimed at the audience.
Dragon Writer^ Which, incidentally, is not the definition that the article had when it began life on the wiki, the old definition really was (what is now) Nothing Is the Same Anymore. Anything can be aimed at the audience; a Very Special Episode for example can be quite shocking, but generally doesn't alter the status quo. ...and as a sidenote, NITSA is an one of the few that I'd place in the "do not want" side of the no-dialogue-titles rule.
edited 31st Jul '12 10:59:06 AM by Stratadrake
Septimus, what would be an example of Nothing Is the Same Anymore that wouldn't be a Wham Episode, and vice versa?
edited 31st Jul '12 1:04:54 PM by MorganWick
Two Christmas wormsA twist that doesn't change status quo? Or are these definitions mutually complementary?
No, the other one.Would Zuko's expected Heel-Face Turn that "surprisingly" didn't actually happen in the season two finale count for that? He remained a villain, and while there were somewhat shocking events and a somewhat darker situation, I wouldn't really say the story went in a different direction. Could count as a Wham Episode but I wouldn't count it as Nothing Is the Same Anymore. That's also what the examples say.
Personally, my suspicion would be that Nothing Is the Same Anymore is a subtrope of Wham Episode - it's possible to have a big twist without radically altering the status quo (and note the "radically" - Nothing Is the Same Anymore is not a mere aversion of Status Quo Is God), but not the other way around.
because we have so many plot twist tropes already (some that happen at specific moments in the story or by type of twist), should we make Wham Episode an index of them, or is there anything that we feel is covered by the broad Wham Episode that isn't more accurately covered by its many subtropes
No, the other one.Any twist isn't a wham.
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