The Sonic Wiki CuratorOkay, for those of you who are not in the know, so far, this work has received two devilheads and one angelhead on the Content Violation Reports. Now, I haven't voted yet, but the fact that this has two devilheads to its name leaves me a little concerned. To those of you who are more familiar with this work, does this contain any pornographic and/or pedopandering content?
Pornographic...no. No freaking way. Pedopandering...well, that is obviously the biggest YMMV here, due to the Sky Witches'..."unusual" choice of outfit. Lemme check the girl's ages to see if they're about the age where "pedopandering" could actually apply... Okay, apparently, they're ages fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen.
edited 26th Jun '12 1:34:18 PM by Raidouthe21st
I recall hearing that it's a lot like Strike Witches, but more problematic because there's more young looking characters. Here's post links I got from the Post-links Pertinent to the P5 Perusal Process thread. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13349331300A11026600&page=165#4110 (tdgoodrich 1)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13349331300A11026600&page=165#4112 (tdgoodrich 1)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13349331300A11026600&page=165#4117 (tdgoodrich 1)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13349331300A11026600&page=165#4120 (tdgoodrich 1)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13349331300A11026600&page=166#4130 (tdgoodrich 1)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13349331300A11026600&page=166#4130 (tdgoodrich 1's verdict)
edited 26th Jun '12 1:31:06 PM by KuroBaraHime
Also relevant: the IP thread that caused me to flag this.
It's also not porn at all. Ever.
Another Wizard BoyI have to note that myanimelist and theanime.org both give a PG-13 or 13+ rating. For the anime.
It's the usual Japan issue; they let younger-looking girls get fanservicey than we're comfortable with. And, As You Know, the art style common to anime never helps. I'd suggest a Keep and Clean. "Clean" in this case means purging every Panty Shot from the character sheet.
edited 26th Jun '12 7:55:54 PM by Ramidel
RorabrialisUltimately, this is like a slightly LESS comfy version of strike witches. I would clean it rather hard.
edited 26th Jun '12 8:28:21 PM by Roraborialis
Happens to be known as Walrus Jones in other circles.
Something strange...@7: I have no idea how to parse what you said, since there doesn't appear to be a character sheet, and the page doesn't appear to even contain the word "panty".
"So... the time has come for you to meet your demise..."
What does 'comfy' mean in that context?
edited 26th Jun '12 9:02:01 PM by animeg3282
"Comfy" as in "The likelihood that a moral guardian won't explode their trousers with indignation".
edited 26th Jun '12 9:04:12 PM by Raidouthe21st
RorabrialisThis. Why I panicked when my original post said "More Comfy."
Happens to be known as Walrus Jones in other circles.
@9: I appear to have mixed up the character sheets for Sky Girls and Strike Witches. (I think the latter should be cleared of Panty Shot images too, but that's getting slightly off-topic.)
I'm more surprised how cleaning the page article is not an option for some articles that aren't really inherently pedo-pandering or the like (just like what happened to Ro-Kyu-Bu). I've watched the entire show and I think that Sky Girls is a tame show. I do think that people who judge the show based on screencaps alone fail to see the context in which they're used. Of course, shower scenes, groping, undressing, and the likes are present in majority of anime, but I do think that the presence of these alone DOESN'T make a show pedo-pandering/pedobait/etc. And if we're talking about the presence of these, the presence of these in Sky Girls isn't significant enough or they're just too subtle.
Keeping a page and cleaning it, and making sure it stays clean, is indeed an option.
edited 27th Jun '12 6:36:28 PM by KuroBaraHime
And yes, SCREENSHOTS aren't basis for judging a work. I might as well label Dog Days as a bukkake anime because of a single screenshot taken out-of-context. ninja'd: I was being rude, I guess.
edited 27th Jun '12 6:53:36 PM by melcarba
We've got at least 2 or 3 that watch anime. And anyways, that's off-topic. If there's any further proof you have to show them this show's rightfully not for pedophiles, now's the time.
edited 27th Jun '12 6:51:53 PM by Raidouthe21st
@Raidou: You see, proving that a show is for pedophiles isn't really that easy. For some works you can easily point out that it is, but for anime titles that feature cute underaged girls, it isn't. A show can have multiple appeal. Say, I enjoyed Sky Girls because the show actually bothered to give characterization to the side characters (the crew of Koryuu). There isn't any scene in the show that gives a pedo vibe. There's no malice in Gen (the cook) being nice to Elise (the blond loli). There's no malice in the interaction between Togo and Eika. In terms of fanservice, shows like Highschool Dx D and R-15 have objectively more fanservice than this (if you're going to count the number and the length) so it's a moot point. The only fanservice tropes I remembered of this show are shower scenes (1 or 2 in the entire show) and some crotch scenes (typical of Mecha Musume shows) and the application of nano-skin (more subtle than the shower scenes as there is no nudity). This show is more about interaction between the characters and if you're watching this to drool to underage girls, we'll it's not the intention of the show. Of course, I won't deny that some people have been jacking off to Sky Girls. And going to the that topic, anyone can watch a tame show with intentions of fapping, see the Doujinshi culture. For example, an anon can watch a perfectly tame show like Hanamaru Kindergarten, and he can jack off it. Does that mean that Hanamaru Kindergarten is a pedobait show just because a lolicon (who we have no idea of) is potentially jacking off on that show? Still, in the eyes of a normal viewer, Hanamaru Kindergarten is just about a cutesy show. TL'DR version: Going by the rating on MAL and ANN (even if it's not licensed), this isn't porn. This isn't even borderline porn like Kodomo no Jikan as there's 0 smut. If Strike Witches wasn't locked, this one shouldn't.
edited 27th Jun '12 7:12:19 PM by melcarba
love lockdown, you lose.Let's rephrase this: can you give us concrete evidence as to why this show doesn't appeal to pedophiles without attacking us? We know that this policy is a sensitive issue, and we haven't been getting rid of anything based on periphery demographic, or because there's little girls in it. We've been getting rid of any work that unduly focuses on fetishizing and sexualizing children. If there is, as you say, one or two shower sequences, let us know what the context is. Let us know what nanoskin is. Help us out here.
About the shower scenes: They're present in virtually every anime. Why would that matter? I forget what episode that scene appeared, but as far as I remember, it's brief. No groping, no showing of nipples. About the context, they're just filler scenes. Still nothing sexual of the sort. About the nanoskin: It's just panning through their bodies (they're not naked), and it's brief like your generic Magical Girl transformation scenes. It is brief (less that 1 minute every episode) There's nothing sexual about it. Sorry. I have no intentions of attacking any person here.
edited 27th Jun '12 7:17:23 PM by melcarba
So, this nanoskin, it's like a superhero spandex costume?
love lockdown, you lose.Shower scenes matter because they have, erm, potential to be really perverted. But from what I'm hearing, nothing in this show seems terribly objectionable.
Yes. It's basically panning though the body of the girls while wearing some tight fit costume (I remembered in episode 2 where Otoha complained that the suit is too thin, then Eika just brushes it off saying that she should not waste time blah blah). I've watched the whole show and the fanservice isn't distracting nor too significant. EDIT: @Largo: In this case, there is only panning with some filler dialogue, almost present in every anime.
edited 27th Jun '12 7:23:34 PM by melcarba
If "little girls in tight fitting costumes" is a reason to cut a work, we need to cut everything with girls in bathing suits. I haven't seen anyone present evidence that this work has any elements that aren't present in works like Negima that we keep getting assured will not be cut. Someone earlier was complaining about a hot springs episode, but that's really meaningless. Even Detective Conan has a Hot Springs Episode. Bath scenes really aren't that big of a deal in culture where public bathing is the norm.
edited 28th Jun '12 4:38:25 AM by Catbert
even older skoolConversely, a bath scene may become a big deal if it is presented inappropriately, and making that distinction is, as usual, up to the P5 themselves. The purposes of these threads is to direct their attention to potentially problematic material, not to argue over exactly what is problematic.
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