Sandbox page looks fine, but... are there really that few salvageable examples??? I clearly see more examples with enough substance to stay (Millenium trilogy, "Blubber" etc.) Is example lifting still in progress?
Maybe I'm missing part of the discussion, but I honestly still don't understand how someone is supposed to "cite proof" for something as opinion-based as this trope.
The main rule of thumb here is that we can't post something if it's just our own (or someone else's) opinion, but it's going to be someone's opinion no matter what, isn't it? That's the nature of the trope. (It kind of goes along with it being YMMV)
If we can't add our own opinion or somebody else's opinion, whose can we add? What would be an acceptable place to cite proof from?
Can someone give me an example?
The proof is proof that it's a widely-held opinion. Not just one person's imagination. We have opinions here in YMMV, not Troper Tales. These opinions must be notable. One person's opinion isn't usually notable.
While I wasn't involved in the discussion, isn't it more about the Unfortunate Implication actually causing some kind of controversy, and the citation is there to prevent singular opinions that don't cause that controversy?
I think we should enact some kind of policy where UI are only listed if they have been acknowledged outside of TV Tropes. Otherwise, we'll have some examples that are just personal anecdotes from tropers (although that wouldn't mean that certain things aren't offensive, obviously). I think this is a policy that should also be enacted for other sensitive topics/tropes.
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Now that it's been a few months, I can say I'm not really liking the certification standard. I know a lot of people were upset with "standing on head to see UI" examples, but I still say people should be allowed their own interpretations of certain things (not to mention I think this is the only YMMV that has this rule which kinda defeats the purpose of YMMV. Anyway.) I know we're trying to drown the negativity, but we're not a fan site either so we shouldn't be "protecting" works from any sort of criticism, so to speak.
I'm only for a certification/link on work YMMV pages to avoid natter and edit wars in those pages.
It's not about protecting the works from criticism. It's about protecting the wiki from nonsense.
Yes, people are allowed their own interpretations, but the main wiki isn't for speculation and troper tales. That's where those kinds of things would belong. Many pages have some kind of loose fandom consensus definition for YMMV tropes, but that apparently didn't work here. I don't think anyone really wants to have  added anywhere on the wiki, but if that's the only thing that keeps it decent without deleting all examples or locking the page, then it's not a bad solution, all things considered.