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 1 Spark 9, Thu, 21st Jun '12 2:51:00 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Traditionally, the five images for the Five-Man Band have been the five main characters from Star Wars (Luke, Han, Chewie, R2, Leia).

Recently, it has been decided to remove The Hero from the Five-Man Band, and replace it by The Leader.

It makes sense, then, to move the picture of Luke Skywalker from The Hero onto The Leader, so that the Five-Man Band again has five Star Wars characters. Any objections?
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I'd question how much of a Leader Luke actually is. His most leader-ish moment is when he strongarms Han into saving Leia. In Episode V he spends most of his time being trained by Leia. In Episode VI he admittedly masterminded the rescue of Han from Jabba, but the mission on Endor is commanded by Han... Point is, for most of the movies, Luke's doing what other people have told him, and shows very little authority on the rest of the main characters. I'm aware in the Expanded Universe he becomes a big leader, but I'm going by the movies which is what most people know Luke from.

By contrast, Aragorn, the current image, actually shows far more consistent Leadership. He only really ever really defers to Gandalf. 'Course it's still kinda JAFAAC.

edited 21st Jun '12 3:20:47 PM by CobraPrime

 3 Final Starman, Thu, 21st Jun '12 4:58:32 PM from Clinton, Massachusetts
 4 Very Melon, Fri, 22nd Jun '12 9:33:46 AM Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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I agree to change the picture on The Leader to Luke Skywalker.
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Luke still reads as more of The Hero to me, as was mentioned before he's the main character and maybe even The Champion but he's typically is not in a leadership role among his team.

I was kind of opposed to The Leader taking the place of The Hero in the Five-Man Band from the beginning tho, so...
 
 6 Ghilz, Mon, 2nd Jul '12 2:53:01 PM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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[up] I've got no issue with the trope replacement, but yes, Luke is not an example of The Leader, he shows less leadership than Leia, who is a princess from childhood and shows leadership from her first scene (She orders R2 to find Obi-Wan). Even as a "General", Han is seen more often than him leading troops (Han leads the search party for Luke, Han leads the ground assault on Endor).

edited 2nd Jul '12 2:54:41 PM by Ghilz

 7 Spark 9, Tue, 3rd Jul '12 4:14:45 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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"The leader" does not mean "military leader", so being in charge of a group of soldiers doesn't make Han the leader.

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No, but it does imply SOME Leadership, and in almost every aspect of this, Luke is out-led by someone. Both as Military Leader, and Leadership of the Five-Man Band.

edited 3rd Jul '12 8:45:17 PM by CobraPrime

I don't see Luke as a leader in the movies. Moving his picture here just because of a tradition is no better than JAFAAC. I don't mind Aargon being replaced by a Star Wars characters but I'd like it to be someone that looks like a leader, preferably one of the four types in the definition.
 
He leads the robots...

edit: Actually, wasn't he the leader once everyone got back together in Return of the Jedi? I think he basically lead the the rescue-Leiah-from-Jabbah mission.

edited 3rd Jul '12 9:31:51 PM by abk0100

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I think that Luke falls under at least some of the criteria for the Type IV (charismatic) leader a few times, so I would say he can be on the page. Yes, he often isn't very leadery or messes up or whatever, but I think he does enough to be counted. Then again, I may be biased because I'm not exactly enthusiastic about the Hero/Leader swap.
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 12 Willbyr, Wed, 4th Jul '12 5:56:29 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Is there anything from EU art or some of the comic books that we could use?
[up]This. If someone could find a present a picture where Luke is clearly in a leadership role then I would support it. Just swapping out his picture from The Hero would be JAFAAC because he's not leading anyone in there.
 
 14 Mr Paradox, Tue, 31st Jul '12 11:03:06 AM from Right Behind You
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At the very least, someone should have a placeholder for Luke until someone find a better one, its very jarring to see it suddenly shift from Lo TR to Star Wars.

A better idea would be to pull Aragon's pic until a 'luke the leader' picture is found. That way the 'jarring' is removed but we avoid JAFAC
 
Now that the leader has replaced the hero, it might be that the Star Wars gang is not the best fit for all of this anymore. Perhaps a different famous five-man-band with a leader will work to replace all of them?
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 17 Septimus Heap, Sat, 18th Aug '12 10:25:24 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I seriously don't expect any to be as visible as the Star Wars example.

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edited 18th Aug '12 10:31:00 AM by Telcontar

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[up][up] As pointed out, some of them don't fit the trope though, like Luke as Leader.

I find Aragorn as the picture for this trope just fine. His posture conveys quite nicely that he is, well, leading the army at his back (as long as one realizes that the brown lumps behind him are soldiers; the image is of somewhat low quality), so it's not a case of JAFAAC. Luke's picture from The Hero, however, is. So why do that just because of a tradition?

 21 Shadow Hog, Tue, 21st Aug '12 9:21:38 AM from Earth Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
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 22 Willbyr, Tue, 21st Aug '12 9:59:19 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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I've been meaning to bring this up to the rest of the staff, but haven't yet...I'll try to do it tonight if I get a chance.
 23 Shadow Hog, Fri, 24th Aug '12 2:26:09 PM from Earth Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
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[up] Did you get the chance? If so, any word?
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 24 Willbyr, Fri, 24th Aug '12 6:24:37 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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[up] No, not yet, and I won't be able to this weekend.
 25 Ghilz, Thu, 6th Sep '12 5:43:05 PM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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[up] So about that...
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